And the final rose goes to. . . **Possible Spoilers** - Page 7

cafegirl · 02-18-2006, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MsFroggy

As long as they don't go in, I'll be fine.

Here, here to that, MsFroggy! I agree about the wasted opportunities to explore a beautiful city and culture. The quick flashes we saw of Paris's most popular tourist sites, weren't as much as we'd see on an internet slide show of Paris. But thank God, we didn't have to have any of the masters defiled by some of the participants who would would probably have made Jay Leno's JayWalker Allstar List, if you know what I mean!!
They left any good natured defiling of Classic art to us on the Fun Thread!!

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Dr.Dork · 02-18-2006, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cafegirl

I was going to post this on the spoiler thread, in response to several speculation posts about the outcome, but this isn't a spoiler, just my opinion about how this show plays out, so here goes.
I really wasn't planning to weigh in that much on this season anymore, unless I could enjoy finding a sleuthing clue. That however, seems almost moot at this stage.
I can say this about Bachelor 8, this season, more than any other, has become one that has disinterested me more as the weeks progressed than any other. I just may have found the impetuous to wean me from my Bachelor obsession.
That said, my speculation on this season's outcome is more of a resigned agreement with the majority of you instead of heightened anticipation of wondering if Travis is going to go with his heart, because frankly, I don't think Travis fell for either girl. JMO. I know that many of my friends on this board and many of you who are new to us here, have impassioned convictions for your favorite bachelorette. I, however, never saw even the scripted version of a 'real' love story. We can debate until doomsday, whether a love story has been hidden or is slow to develop or Travis couldn't take an emotional choice in the long run. The point is, Fleiss has taken the events that happened during this show and crafted a story that he hopes will draw the viewer in and create enough drama using the 'real' people's actions and words, and manipulating and editing them to fit his purpose, in hopes that he is going to have a ratings winner.
What kind of love story are we going to get in the finale? You guys summed it up better than I: 2 friends, move to a hint of romance to a stronger romantic link after the fantasy to a very sexy girl next door winning the reluctant Bachelor's heart. Is this what really happened? Again, we won't really know I think, if Travis and Sarah, did really develop a serious relationship or did Travis really fall for Mona but couldn't see him with her in real life. Travis has to bring this show to a romantic close, and I believe he was extremely conflicted in making that choice, not being in love with either one, but going with the one that logically might have a better chance of making it back home.
Sadly, I don't see this as a relationship that's going to last, but that's JMO.
Bonus: You haven't had to endure a lot of my long rants and I can truly say, the Bachelor is not my favorite obsession (until they reel me back in next season! :

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When you lose cafegirl, you have truly lost.

Too bad you couldn't have had more fun this season. He does have a way of looking methodical, smart, and charming at times but when you add it all up, it's really just boorish behavior leaving a wake of total confusion.

I still think he sticks the landing. Everyone cross your fingers. And then continue to keep them crossed.

SkateMom · 02-18-2006, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by wooh_okk

And the final rose goes to MOANA. Gosh I cant stand safe and "innocent" people like Sarah. Moana may have some issues, but she is a WAY more interesting and fun person to be with. I sure hope he picks her, or hes headed straight towards boredom.

I hope so too, yet I feel like I'm in the minority believing this will happen. Then again, remember how like 90% of viewers thought Meridith was going to pick Matthew? I knew it would be Ian.

Moana is her own person and she hasn't been the outright mean girl saying "I didn't come here to make friends", yet she's been shunned by the other girls in the house who are a clique'. What annoys me are the scenes during the casino group date when the "clique' was so persistent asking Moana if she was into Travis. Same on the boat, questions which I believe even came from Sarah like, "can you see yourself with him in the future" blah, blah, blah. They weren't asking because the liked Moana. It was to get the answer they were looking for so they could talk about her more.

I really think Travis and Moana have an emotional connection, from cuddling on the boat, him constantly caressing her arms while the accordian player serenaded them, holding hands throughout dinner always touching fingertips--very erotic-like. They were alo doing the whole hand-holding etc. during their stop at the little cafe. The romantic music resembled that of Meredith and Ian's Brazil meeting.

That said, I don't dislike Sarah however I just don't see any connection except being friendly neighbors.

In the past few seasons it seems to me that the runner up has been a person of good character and that would "take the fall" with grace and dignity; Krisily, John Paul, Charlie, and the Southern girl from Byron's season. If Sarah is the runner up, she resembles these other runner-ups in character.

dondiego · 02-18-2006, 06:00 PM

let me begin by saying that I have not seen much romance in either of Travis' relationships, and for a show about love and romance, I consider that a major failure. If you don't feel invested in your characters, then the author has failed at a very basic level. That said, given the weak structure we have been given on which to envision a budding lifetime romance forming,
if Moana should win, then perhaps they will finally have achieved the most amazing rose ceremony ever. if not, this will certainly have been a forgettable bachelor season. I say that only because I don't think that anyone would be surprised to see him choose someone who is safe and solid, since he appears to be a safe and solid individual. I like both of the women and I don't think either would be a bad choice for him to date, but the only drama I can see coming from this season is if the good doctor takes a walk on the wild side. With Andrew and Jen, the good girl vs bad girl scenario made us care about the outcome because there was a clear delineation between good vs evil; here there is not.

miadora · 02-19-2006, 01:44 AM

[quote=vicyn8;1782405]The edit is in Sarah's favour.

Even her "what a Bitch" and in your-face-move at the casino could be favorably interpreted as a woman defending her man.

QUOTE]

What kind of kindergarten teacher calls a woman she hardly knows a "bitch" on nationally television??

pardonme · 02-19-2006, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by vicyn8

The edit is in Sarah's favour.

Even her "what a Bitch" and in your-face-move at the casino could be favorably interpreted as a woman defending her man.

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What kind of kindergarten teacher calls a woman she hardly knows a "bitch" on nationally television??

Well, I don't think it matters what she does as a job. But you point is acknowleged.

I guess she thought instead of a sentence she would go for 1 word. People have forgiving her, it seems.

Alanna · 02-19-2006, 02:33 AM

I think his mind will tell him Sarah for obvious reasons (amazing w/ kids, parents bound to be impressed, smart, kind, willing to make concessions to be w/ him, low matainence, home-town girl, kindergarten teacher so a built in good image, all around good girl, ect). However, I think his heart will tell him to go for the hottie w/ a body Moana. In the end, I'm convinced by the screenies and the awesome work done over in the other thread that there is no way Moana wins. So I'm thinking he listens to his mind, and goes for the "right" choice and not the wrong. It might still work tho.

miadora · 02-19-2006, 03:29 AM

[quote=pardonme;1787011]

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Originally Posted by miadora

Well, I don't think it matters what she does as a job. But you point is acknowleged.

I guess she thought instead of a sentence she would go for 1 word. People have forgiving her, it seems.

Seeing my doctor, my lawyer, my tax person call someone a b**** on national t.v. under the same circumstances would one thing. But if I saw my child's kindergarten teacher talk like that, it would bother me. A lot. Maybe no one agrees with me, but JMO.

pardonme · 02-19-2006, 03:40 AM

I agree that NO ONE represents themselves well on tv by calling another bitch. While making that point I forgot to see your intend. Yes, moms of many K kids would perhaps think something different if it was said by said teacher when she was with a group of her friends compared to saying so on national tv.
I hear ya!

Jexter · 02-19-2006, 04:54 AM

I can only watch the final few weeks of any Bachelor series. It's way too much fluff to go the full distance for my tastes.

But, I just wanted to chime in with my own humble opinion....I like this episode. Yeah, Travis is a bit dry, but his "granola" tendencies make him different than previous bachelors. And, the final 4 woman have been interesting in their own ways. I don't think there is true love with either Sarah or Moana based on what I've seen thus far. However, I have seen real friendship and strong dating prossibilities, which is really all you can expect from a show like this.

I'm not necessarily riveted with anticipation, but I am hugely entertained.

02-19-2006, 02:33 AM	#67
Alanna Jill, THIS is a bad boy Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,882	I think his mind will tell him Sarah for obvious reasons (amazing w/ kids, parents bound to be impressed, smart, kind, willing to make concessions to be w/ him, low matainence, home-town girl, kindergarten teacher so a built in good image, all around good girl, ect). However, I think his heart will tell him to go for the hottie w/ a body Moana. In the end, I'm convinced by the screenies and the awesome work done over in the other thread that there is no way Moana wins. So I'm thinking he listens to his mind, and goes for the "right" choice and not the wrong. It might still work tho. __________________ Big: You know, Manhattan has a lot of beautiful women. Carrie: What an amazing observation! Big: But the thing is, after awhile, you just wanna be with the one who makes you laugh. *~ Sex and the City*

02-18-2006, 06:00 PM	#64
dondiego FORT Regular Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 147	let me begin by saying that I have not seen much romance in either of Travis' relationships, and for a show about love and romance, I consider that a major failure. If you don't feel invested in your characters, then the author has failed at a very basic level. That said, given the weak structure we have been given on which to envision a budding lifetime romance forming, if Moana should win, then perhaps they will finally have achieved the most amazing rose ceremony ever. if not, this will certainly have been a forgettable bachelor season. I say that only because I don't think that anyone would be surprised to see him choose someone who is safe and solid, since he appears to be a safe and solid individual. I like both of the women and I don't think either would be a bad choice for him to date, but the only drama I can see coming from this season is if the good doctor takes a walk on the wild side. With Andrew and Jen, the good girl vs bad girl scenario made us care about the outcome because there was a clear delineation between good vs evil; here there is not.

02-19-2006, 01:44 AM	#65
miadora FORT Fogey Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: san francisco Posts: 494	[quote=vicyn8;1782405]The edit is in Sarah's favour. Even her "what a Bitch" and in your-face-move at the casino could be favorably interpreted as a woman defending her man. QUOTE] What kind of kindergarten teacher calls a woman she hardly knows a "bitch" on nationally television??

02-19-2006, 03:40 AM	#69
pardonme FORT Regular Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 76	I agree that NO ONE represents themselves well on tv by calling another bitch. While making that point I forgot to see your intend. Yes, moms of many K kids would perhaps think something different if it was said by said teacher when she was with a group of her friends compared to saying so on national tv. I hear ya!

02-19-2006, 04:54 AM	#70
Jexter FORT Fogey Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,968	I can only watch the final few weeks of any Bachelor series. It's way too much fluff to go the full distance for my tastes. But, I just wanted to chime in with my own humble opinion....I like this episode. Yeah, Travis is a bit dry, but his "granola" tendencies make him different than previous bachelors. And, the final 4 woman have been interesting in their own ways. I don't think there is true love with either Sarah or Moana based on what I've seen thus far. However, I have seen real friendship and strong dating prossibilities, which is really all you can expect from a show like this. I'm not necessarily riveted with anticipation, but I am hugely entertained.