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    Quote Originally Posted by gdasgal
    Let me tell you why she's "responsible." Accidents happen, maybe she did not plan to get pregnant at a young age. But she took responsibility, didn't take the easy way out and have an abortion though that may have been tempting for a teenager who wanted to "fix" things, and she managed to work and go to school in order to give her son as good a life as possible. I know you all are going to say that there is birth control or morning after pills and all that stuff, but those things are not foolproof.
    Many of us would say that choosing to have sex at 16 is a very irresponsible decision. Not from a moral perspective, but from the perspective of the child she chose to raise, and the impact on the rest of her family.

    Quote Originally Posted by gdasgal
    As for appearing in playboy, while some people may morally disapprove, that does not make her irresponsible. If she got paid 25,000, that is good money for her son and he'll never know she even posed, not that she would necessarily even mind if he did when she was older. In addition, Playboy is a reputable magazine, and many people including celebrities with children have posed. Just because you are morally opposed to it does not mean that everyone else has your views. Maybe she is comfortable with her body and saw it as an exciting modeling opportunity, as well as a good financial decision.
    Playboy is no more reputable than any other girlie magainze, and my distaste for her actions is not based on any moral opposition to the magazine. Pornography is fine with me. However, like it or not, some day her son will be confronted with the image of his naked, airbrushed mommy. And this will cause an enormous amount of embarrassment, and will raise issues that a small boy should not have to face.

    Quote Originally Posted by gdasgal
    Finally, Brittany is not the type of person to "hook up" with any stranger. And no one will ever convince me that she is a bad mom for leaving her son to go take the opportunity of a lifetime to get a free trip to an exotic location and meet a guy that might possibly be right for her. It may have been different if it were for an extremely long time, but people go on business trips, vacations, etc. all the time. As long as her son knows how loved he is, and he wanted her to go, I think she is in a better position than strangers are to decide what is best for her son.
    So, she's a hypocrite? No one who has ever watched more than two seconds of one of these shows believes for a second that the "winner" isn't going to be hooking up in public. Which, again, subjects the little boy to enormous embarrassment in front of his peers.

    If she just did it for the free trip and had no intention of public sex-play, then she defrauded the producers for her free trip to the exotic location.

    Or, there's a third option. She was hired by the producers to make her little self-righteous mommy speech and then go away. I wouldn't put NBC past doing this, after the obvious b.s. of the bikini models and the even more obvious b.s. of Zach traipsing about the golf course like James Bond on helium.

    If that's the case, she should come clean. Because while I don't have moral qualms about girlie magazines, per se, and single mommies going on to have healthy relationships, I sure do think that taking part in public deception is morally outrageous. So, which is it? Who did she lie to? Adam and the producers, her friends or the public?

    Quote Originally Posted by gdasgal
    I guess this type of forum breeds judgement, but I still cannot believe the way everyone wants to be so judgemental. As Brittany's friend, I can tell you, as many of her other friends have, I personally know she is a great, intelligent, moral, and truly genuinely nice person. Judging from these things only, she may seem like otherwise, but have you ever considered, maybe one of the reasons she didn't mind posing for Playboy, or didn't mind leaving her son is because she knows she is a good person and would never be viewed negatively by people that even halfway know her? She is just too good of a person for people to judge her by these things that don't, in themselves, really indicate anything about the type of person she is when you actually know the way she lives her every day life.
    When she signed up to be a part of reality television, she signed up for the ridicule that goes along with it. And she signed up her family and her son and her friends.

    Deal with it. Whining about us only makes you look naive.
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    Many of us would say that choosing to have sex at 16 is a very irresponsible decision. Not from a moral perspective, but from the perspective of the child she chose to raise, and the impact on the rest of her family.
    However, she appears to have acted very responsibly, given her present situation; your bashing would have hit its mark more squarely if she were a welfare mom, living in a housing project, etc., instead of having jobs and a college degree or two.

    Playboy is no more reputable than any other girlie magainze, and my distaste for her actions is not based on any moral opposition to the magazine. Pornography is fine with me. However, like it or not, some day her son will be confronted with the image of his naked, airbrushed mommy. And this will cause an enormous amount of embarrassment, and will raise issues that a small boy should not have to face.
    You are impugning problems for the boy that might not exist at all. He might not be a small boy when he finally sees it, or he might already know about it and will be used to it by the time the meaning hits him. Or, since her son apparently encouraged her on to submit a video and application for this show; if she were to ask him, "should I pose in Playboy for $25000?" he might even say yes. Fear Factor is apparently his favorite show.

    It's very kind of you, however, to be looking out for her son's best interests and to criticize Brittany when she doesn't measure up to your high standards.

    So, she's a hypocrite? No one who has ever watched more than two seconds of one of these shows believes for a second that the "winner" isn't going to be hooking up in public. Which, again, subjects the little boy to enormous embarrassment in front of his peers.
    You seem to neglect that her son asked her to apply to the show. He was proud of her, according to her friends who have posted here in the past. Furthermore, the assertion was that she wouldn't hook up with a stranger, and you have somehow shifted the question to whether she would be willing to hook up in public.

    If she just did it for the free trip and had no intention of public sex-play, then she defrauded the producers for her free trip to the exotic location.
    She defrauded no one, because Adam eliminated her before the opportunity even arose. And you are presuming a lot. She apparently wanted to date Adam, and she got past the initial selection process. The rest was up to Adam. If anyone, Summer just wanted national TV exposure and not a relationship - the girls even suspected this on the show.

    If that's the case, she should come clean. Because while I don't have moral qualms about girlie magazines, per se, and single mommies going on to have healthy relationships, I sure do think that taking part in public deception is morally outrageous. So, which is it? Who did she lie to? Adam and the producers, her friends or the public?
    There is another possibility, none of the above.

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    I would like to see her Playboy pics.....just to make sure its her

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    Quote Originally Posted by beaker
    However, she appears to have acted very responsibly, given her present situation; your bashing would have hit its mark more squarely if she were a welfare mom, living in a housing project, etc., instead of having jobs and a college degree or two.
    Why? She's lucky to have so much support from her family. Vacations, the opportunity to go to school while being a part-time mommy, etc. Most living in poverty don't have the same support system. This has little to do with her.



    Quote Originally Posted by beaker
    You are impugning problems for the boy that might not exist at all. He might not be a small boy when he finally sees it, or he might already know about it and will be used to it by the time the meaning hits him. Or, since her son apparently encouraged her on to submit a video and application for this show; if she were to ask him, "should I pose in Playboy for $25000?" he might even say yes. Fear Factor is apparently his favorite show.
    Impugning... to quote Inigo Montoya, "... that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

    Is Fear Factor appropriate for that age group? And is a six-year-old really capable of understanding what it means for mommy to appear on a reality television dating show? Responsible mommies would understand that junior just thinks it's cool for mommy to appear on television. And they would understand that junior is just too young to understand the complex situations that might arise from mommy appearing naked in a magazine.

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    It's very kind of you, however, to be looking out for her son's best interests and to criticize Brittany when she doesn't measure up to your high standards.
    Well, I believe mommies need to take responsibility for the upbringing of their children. Mommies should be held to higher standards. Once Brittany decided to bring a child into the world, she needed to understand that her decisions affect the child. She can't act like a carefree teenager anymore.



    Quote Originally Posted by beaker
    You seem to neglect that her son asked her to apply to the show. He was proud of her, according to her friends who have posted here in the past. Furthermore, the assertion was that she wouldn't hook up with a stranger, and you have somehow shifted the question to whether she would be willing to hook up in public.
    Her son is too young to understand this show. His enthuasiasm is irrelevant. And both hooking up with a stranger and hooking up in public with said stranger are issues here.



    Quote Originally Posted by beaker
    She defrauded no one, because Adam eliminated her before the opportunity even arose. And you are presuming a lot. She apparently wanted to date Adam, and she got past the initial selection process. The rest was up to Adam. If anyone, Summer just wanted national TV exposure and not a relationship - the girls even suspected this on the show.
    If she wanted to date Adam, then she was ready and willing to hook up in public with a stranger. Why is that so hard to understand?

    If she was not willing to hook up in public with a stranger, then she was defrauding the show - simply using the show for national TV exposure or for an expenses-paid vacation from her son. Just because Summer did this as well doesn't justify it.

    If she wasn't willing to hook up, and she wasn't defrauding the show, then the only logical remaining possibility is that she was hired by the show specifically to make that self-righteous speech.

    Can you find any logical hole in this argument? Either she's a liar, a fraud or she enabled a fraud. Which is it?
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    Is Fear Factor appropriate for that age group? And is a six-year-old really capable of understanding what it means for mommy to appear on a reality television dating show?
    I don't know, and probably not. But the understanding will probably come in time.

    Responsible mommies would understand that junior just thinks it's cool for mommy to appear on television. And they would understand that junior is just too young to understand the complex situations that might arise from mommy appearing naked in a magazine.
    ... which is why I said "by the time the meaning hits him." There is no obligation on her son's part to understand that now. True, when he finally does figure it out, it might scar him, or it might not. Only in the former case will your concerns have been justified.

    Life is never risk-free, nor should it be. There are risks associated with appearing in Playboy or on a reality TV show, just as there are risks to joining the military, or commuting to work every day on a bicycle. There are benefits as well. Responsible people consider risks and benefits, and make decisions.

    Well, I believe mommies need to take responsibility for the upbringing of their children. Mommies should be held to higher standards. Once Brittany decided to bring a child into the world, she needed to understand that her decisions affect the child. She can't act like a carefree teenager anymore.
    You evidently don't see enough upside, or maybe even any upside, to her decision. I do.

    Her son is too young to understand this show. His enthuasiasm is irrelevant.
    I have to agree with you here.

    And both hooking up with a stranger and hooking up in public with said stranger are issues here.... If she wanted to date Adam, then she was ready and willing to hook up in public with a stranger. Why is that so hard to understand?
    She has already hinted that the public part isn't a problem by appearing in Playboy. My issue is whether she would hook up with a "stranger."

    She already had some idea what he was like seeing him on AJ1. Supposing she won AJ3 and therefore would have been in a position to hook up with him, she would have spent at least one full-day date with him, met his family and seen him interact with them, and seen his interactions with and heard gossip from some 18 other girls over the course of several intense weeks. How many normal dates, in real life, would a girl have to have with a guy to know him as well as the winner of AJ3 knows Adam, and can you really say they would still be strangers at that point?

    Can you find any logical hole in this argument? Either she's a liar, a fraud or she enabled a fraud. Which is it?
    None of the above - he would no longer be a stranger by the time she won and would have to appear in public with him, if she won.

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    Quote Originally Posted by averagejane


    Maveno...thank you for being the voice of sanity
    Plllleease, let this thread die a natural death...because it's getting to be :deadhorse
    I totally agree

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    Hey. Dead horse or not... I haven't put in my 2 cents.

    I watched one episode of "Average Joe" and it happened to be the one where Brittany was eliminated. I couldn't watch anymore after that.

    I thought Adam was a bozo!

    Here's the amazing girl, single mom, intelligent, nice, genuine and beautiful. Most women who become mothers at the age Brittany did, NEVER accomplish the things she has. She impressed me as a person who had dealt with lifes hurdles, and as an accomplished writer has a bright future ahead of her. She doesn't need somebody to take care of her. She's doing just fine on her own. She was looking for a great guy.

    I can only WISH I would get a chance to meet Brittany. I wish I had the opportunity that Adam had on that show to get to know her. I would have utilized that chance to the fullest.

    and gdasgal, if Brittany is still looking for a great guy....

    I'd be smiling for days if she wanted to meet me.

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    Well having watched the finale it's probably obvious why Adam let Brittany go even earlier. The "commitment" angle is what scared him off of Rachel. Brittany would have been an even bigger perceived commitment. If he couldn't take the low maintenance but commitment oriented Rachel, is it that surprising he got scared [mod edit] by the woman with the kid?

    Not defending his instict, but in retrospect it almost seems we should have called him ditching Rachel tonight after mulling over the Brittany situation. He's been pointed in the opposite direction all along and it wasn't obvious, especially since we got faked out by him dismissing the bikini models.
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    What gets me is...

    the whole "what Brittany accomplished as a single mom" thing. Ok, so she isn't married. That makes her single, yes. But how much of a mom could she have been to finish no less than 5 years of school (and probably more) including graduate courses in a 6-7 year time frame, while working full time? That means she had a TREMENDOUS amount of help from family and friends. She even said her ex played a big part in her son's life. I can't help but think that, despite everything we have heard about her parenting, she placed, and continues to place, her own career before the life of her child. How much time could she really spend with her son each day while working 8 hours, then school for a couple more? Well, long enough to watch fear factor, I guess.

    She is hot, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CKENN
    Hey. Dead horse or not... I haven't put in my 2 cents.

    I watched one episode of "Average Joe" and it happened to be the one where Brittany was eliminated. I couldn't watch anymore after that.

    I thought Adam was a bozo!

    Here's the amazing girl, single mom, intelligent, nice, genuine and beautiful. Most women who become mothers at the age Brittany did, NEVER accomplish the things she has. She impressed me as a person who had dealt with lifes hurdles, and as an accomplished writer has a bright future ahead of her. She doesn't need somebody to take care of her. She's doing just fine on her own. She was looking for a great guy.

    I can only WISH I would get a chance to meet Brittany. I wish I had the opportunity that Adam had on that show to get to know her. I would have utilized that chance to the fullest.

    and gdasgal, if Brittany is still looking for a great guy....

    I'd be smiling for days if she wanted to meet me.
    I think Brittany would have been a better choice than Samantha. She seemed alot more mature than Samantha. Samantha reminds me, in terms of substance, of those guys Larissa and Melana picked.

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