5/29 Finale Part I Discussion - Page 13

Ancient City · 05-30-2006, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Netcam

Lee and Sean are the weakest Final 2 ever, so next week could actually be another Apprentice first .... as Trump decides to hire neither one of them!!

Now that is an outcome I can really vote for!

(Where is a pleading smiley when you need one??)

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Nintai · 05-30-2006, 01:42 AM

Just watched the show and several things come to mind. Since the competition is over for 16 of them, they might become better followers and team players than when they were shooting for the brass ring. Also, it's another chance to showcase themselves.

As far as Lenny helping Lee pick the team, there is some advantage that may have been edited out. Lenny has been at the off-site with everyone and has heard what they had to say about the remaining candidate. Lee would want to know who was bad-mouthing him back in the losers' lounge. Though Lee didn't take his advice about Roxanne.

Tammy is an order of magnitude better than Roxanne. While she's not Apprentice material, she does have a lot more going for her than Roxanne.

Not sure what to think about the Andrea medical issue. I can see it being any of a number of things. In the end, I hope she is healthy and is okay.

Pepi? We didn't really see enough of him to see how he would be as a team member. Might just suck at being a PM but is otherwise a good person to have on the team. With the way editing has been this year, Pepi might be the one to come up with the big idea to make Lee the winner. We will have to see.

Speaking of editing, if tonight's show goes like the rest of the season, Lee will win big. Unless that's the twist to it. Guess we'll see next week.

echo226 · 05-30-2006, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Netcam

Lee certainly isn't looking very good so far, after allowing Lenny to pick his team and now stumbling and fumbling with the task. Certainly set to look like the loser.

On the other hand, Sean lusting over Tammi and not going to meet the major sponsor in favor of the dinner menu was a big mistake, IMO. TPTB even show him setting the table for the team. Truth is, this guy would make a better butler for Trump than an Apprentice!

Lee and Sean are the weakest Final 2 ever, so next week could actually be another Apprentice first .... as Trump decides to hire neither one of them!!

Lee also showed Trump something by backing off his choice of Bare Naked Ladies/WWF task. How will Trump see that ? Did Lee cry Uncle or did Lee make a good political move that may be useful later ?

Sean does sometimes seem like a caricature of "the help", doesn't he ?

Note to Krom: I'd like to say you have a good point, but fear the wrath of local 7-11 managers.

gracie727 · 05-30-2006, 01:58 AM

On the West Coast, Sean's team was favored 69% by the audience.

donnababe · 05-30-2006, 02:17 AM

Pepi did have a "winning" idea. He asked if they would do a "matching funds" type thing. He received no answer and the other team members did not pick up on it. After the meeting, the two Pontiac people even said they missed a good opportunity by not pushing for it.

Vonna · 05-30-2006, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by echo226

.........................Judgi ng from the infamous meeting and her comment about having run the event for the last 6 years, she sure sounds and acts as if she may not appreciate being sidelined this year. This is where he missed yet another opportunity to invite her to outline exactly how it's been done before and figure out how to make her feel more important.

Lee is a dolt.

Now that's a good idea! I was wondering how he could get firebreather, I mean firefighter lady on his team and get her to calm down a little. Hope she realizes there is no threat of Lee taking over her fundraising .
She certainly isn't giving the impression of a goodwill ambassador.

Krom · 05-30-2006, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Netcam

Lee certainly isn't looking very good so far, after allowing Lenny to pick his team and now stumbling and fumbling with the task. Certainly set to look like the loser.

On the other hand, Sean lusting over Tammi and not going to meet the major sponsor in favor of the dinner menu was a big mistake, IMO. TPTB even show him setting the table for the team. Truth is, this guy would make a better butler for Trump than an Apprentice!

Lee and Sean are the weakest Final 2 ever, so next week could actually be another Apprentice first .... as Trump decides to hire neither one of them!!

I can't disagree that Sean should have been at that meeting, but unlike a lot of the Apprentice "should have been at a meeting" scenes, this one wasn't shown with any real bad consequence. Tarek and Andrea seemed to handle the assignment well, and while Tarek himself wondered at Sean's priorities, it wasn't shown bouncing back on Sean in a harmful way. The sponsor certainly wasn't shown as negatively reacting.

My instinct is that nothing bad really happened and what we saw was as far as the editing could take the "thread" of Sean seeming to prioritize Tammy over the contest. It's like the situation with Tammy asking Andrea to perform an errand on the way back from her doctor's checkup. IF Andrea had really been offended we would have seen it blown way out of proportion on screen. But she wasn't, so the show couldn't do that. That's probably the same situation they are in with the Sean/Tammy relationship--the editors can hook onto a few random statements by Tarek and some non-events and make it look a LITTLE like there might be trouble, but with nothing behind it there's not much else they can do. Well other than make us suffer having to listen to them call each other "baby".

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Originally Posted by gracie727

On the West Coast, Sean's team was favored 69% by the audience.

Maybe the West Coast had enough time to realize that their Eastern brothers and sisters were dumbasses who were still voting for who they wanted booted. Or maybe the announcer's pitch was changed for the West Coast broadcast to be more explicit about the change. Was there a statement in there like "Remember, you are NOT voting for the candidate you want Fired tonight." Because the East Coast version didn't have that kind of little reminder--they actually counted on people listening to the voting instructions.

echo226 · 05-30-2006, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Vonna

Now that's a good idea! I was wondering how he could get firebreather, I mean firefighter lady on his team and get her to calm down a little. Hope she realizes there is no threat of Lee taking over her fundraising .
She certainly isn't giving the impression of a goodwill ambassador.

She's a tough nut but he didn't take the time to assess her and the situation. She's either a Professional Fundraiser hired to be the Exec. Director, or she's a previous hardworking Volunteer who was hired as Exec. Director. In either case, she is the EXPERT and he didn't recognize/acknowledge her as such and also failed to utilize a very valuable resource.

Dogbat · 05-30-2006, 07:19 AM

Lee is definately getting the winners edit at this point but that will change. They will have to show Sean failing, too, for the suspense factor. I will be stunned if Sean does not win. Trump does not care for Lee or his politicing.

I loved Carolyn laughing to the point of making her nose red at the sight of "the guy on the right". Priceless when Trump looked up his name and could not remember saying "Pepe, you're fired". Very cute.

Andrea mentioned that her nose was bleeding "too". The smart money is on a nose bleed being the cause of her coughing up blood. I expect to see her back in action quickly. Since one would spend hours waiting in an ER with those symptions, I assume Trump has a medical assistance more quickly available.

Sean is very familiar with Tammy. Darling, sweetheart and baby are not words you use in a casual flirtation. They have it going on. I have to assume they slept togehter after the cameras left for the night. I loved his comment that he hoped to get the job, the girl and a new life. I think he will.

We haven't seen enough of these challenges to get the picture. I have no clue how they are going to raise money other than the car auction. Why would Pontiac want to match funds on top of giving away two cars? That makes no sense. I would think selling raffle tickets to win a car would generate more cash. Presumably the party goers are expecting to donate to the charity so laying down a couple of hundred bucks for a chance at wining a car seems reasonable. An auction will only bring in the approximate cost of each car. A raffle could exceed that by thousands if everyone present bought at least one ticket for $20.

Trump has himself in a pickle here. He is going to be stuck with one clear winner if either has a huge profit margin over the other. There will be no mulling it over. Usually the final task does not have that aspect.

fireflyer · 05-30-2006, 07:50 AM

Tonight's show was interesting for many reasons.

I missed the first 10 minutes, but came in soon enough to see who's on whose team, and to see Carolyn immistakably poking fun at the Pepi guy. That was funny! But also disrespectful. If the shoe was on the other foot, and a few Apprentices couldn't remember one of the judges from earlier in the season, and then LAUGHED about how unmemorable the judge was, don't you think Trump would ream them for their memory loss?

Secondly, Trump talking about bare naked ladies in a boardroom. Okay, we caught the double-entendre with your first smirk. We don't need you saying it two more times after that. I hate it when people think they're being witty and they just keep rehashing the same joke. And especially bringing up "naked ladies" in a business meeting. Don't do it.

Thirdly, OMG Lee is totally un-perceptive. Quit trying to BS the lady, just admit that you came without any promotional ideas and tell her you'll go back, consider the info she provided, and prepare some ideas that could better serve her organization's goals. Acting like you're prepared when you aren't always just serves to make you look stoooopid-er.

And finally Sean, OMG OMG OMG Sean, WTF are you DOING? Not only did he choose an employee he had a crush on (which is dumb because he KNOWS he'll be partially distracted)--but he's so obvious about it that the other employees are now aware. And then his comment: "I'd be in there like swimwear!" He actually told his future boss and all of America that he'd like to get in his employee's pants!

For any real-world business interview, that would be the biggest foot-in-mouth...
but y'know, I almost think that might make Trump like him all-the-more --> Trump makes no secret about telling women employees they're beautiful when discussing their qualifications (which actually feels demeaning when it's done to you in the middle of a business meeting). Maybe Trump will be impressed that Sean is ogling Tammy. "He's a man's man!"

But still, I can't believe that in the middle of Sean's biggest professional opportunity, he's thinking about "getting the girl" (his words). Shouldn't he be thinking about the event? Is he channelling Raj from Season 2?

I dunno, maybe there's nothing ethically/morally wrong with telling everyone you want to get into an employee's pants, as long as she isn't feeling offended or harassed. But still, it's not professional and I was surprised to see it during a corporate televised interview.

Having said all that, I can't see how Lee could possibly win this thing. He's in WAAAYYY over his head, if the editing is portraying things accurately. Lee had a good idea about picking loyal people, but it's only a good idea if those people are ALSO capable. INcapable loyal people aren't gonna be an asset. Lenny doesn't even know what a jingle is... how can he plan a major American corporate event?

P.S. Oh yeah, the other surprising thing about tonight: that a grown lady who is strong enough to become a millionaire in the business-world would start crying from a nosebleed. Strong women usually don't cry about common injuries, even if they haven't had that particular injury before. It doesn't make sense; it doesn't fit with her personality. I can't see how a bloody nose of unknown origin would make a female millionaire cry. I can understand crying if she found out she has 3 weeks to live, or needs her nose amputated, or something,... but fear of the unknown isn't a trait I expected to see from Andrea or any other proven female.

I don't mean to imply that only weak people cry... but something just doesn't add up, character-wise. She can't be all "tough cookie" and bragging about her millionaire earning-power but cry at a nosebleed. I'm sensing some producer-provoked drama.

I guess I'll give her the benefit of the doubt, and assume that TPTB didn't make her snort something in the bathroom to cause it, and assume that she already tried to let it dry up on its own, or experienced some symtoms indicating this was worse than the average bloody nose.

05-30-2006, 07:19 AM	#129
Dogbat FORT Fogey Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,053	Lee is definately getting the winners edit at this point but that will change. They will have to show Sean failing, too, for the suspense factor. I will be stunned if Sean does not win. Trump does not care for Lee or his politicing. I loved Carolyn laughing to the point of making her nose red at the sight of "the guy on the right". Priceless when Trump looked up his name and could not remember saying "Pepe, you're fired". Very cute. Andrea mentioned that her nose was bleeding "too". The smart money is on a nose bleed being the cause of her coughing up blood. I expect to see her back in action quickly. Since one would spend hours waiting in an ER with those symptions, I assume Trump has a medical assistance more quickly available. Sean is very familiar with Tammy. Darling, sweetheart and baby are not words you use in a casual flirtation. They have it going on. I have to assume they slept togehter after the cameras left for the night. I loved his comment that he hoped to get the job, the girl and a new life. I think he will. We haven't seen enough of these challenges to get the picture. I have no clue how they are going to raise money other than the car auction. Why would Pontiac want to match funds on top of giving away two cars? That makes no sense. I would think selling raffle tickets to win a car would generate more cash. Presumably the party goers are expecting to donate to the charity so laying down a couple of hundred bucks for a chance at wining a car seems reasonable. An auction will only bring in the approximate cost of each car. A raffle could exceed that by thousands if everyone present bought at least one ticket for $20. Trump has himself in a pickle here. He is going to be stuck with one clear winner if either has a huge profit margin over the other. There will be no mulling it over. Usually the final task does not have that aspect. Last edited by Dogbat; 05-30-2006 at 07:36 AM.

05-30-2006, 07:50 AM	#130
fireflyer from sky to fire Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,177	Tonight's show was interesting for many reasons. I missed the first 10 minutes, but came in soon enough to see who's on whose team, and to see Carolyn immistakably poking fun at the Pepi guy. That was funny! But also disrespectful. If the shoe was on the other foot, and a few Apprentices couldn't remember one of the judges from earlier in the season, and then LAUGHED about how unmemorable the judge was, don't you think Trump would ream them for their memory loss? Secondly, Trump talking about bare naked ladies in a boardroom. Okay, we caught the double-entendre with your first smirk. We don't need you saying it two more times after that. I hate it when people think they're being witty and they just keep rehashing the same joke. And especially bringing up "naked ladies" in a business meeting. Don't do it. Thirdly, OMG Lee is totally un-perceptive. Quit trying to BS the lady, just admit that you came without any promotional ideas and tell her you'll go back, consider the info she provided, and prepare some ideas that could better serve her organization's goals. Acting like you're prepared when you aren't always just serves to make you look stoooopid-er. And finally Sean, OMG OMG OMG Sean, WTF are you DOING? Not only did he choose an employee he had a crush on (which is dumb because he KNOWS he'll be partially distracted)--but he's so obvious about it that the other employees are now aware. And then his comment: "I'd be in there like swimwear!" He actually told his future boss and all of America that he'd like to get in his employee's pants! For any real-world business interview, that would be the biggest foot-in-mouth... but y'know, I almost think that might make Trump like him all-the-more --> Trump makes no secret about telling women employees they're beautiful when discussing their qualifications (which actually feels demeaning when it's done to you in the middle of a business meeting). Maybe Trump will be impressed that Sean is ogling Tammy. "He's a man's man!" But still, I can't believe that in the middle of Sean's biggest professional opportunity, he's thinking about "getting the girl" (his words). Shouldn't he be thinking about the event? Is he channelling Raj from Season 2? I dunno, maybe there's nothing ethically/morally wrong with telling everyone you want to get into an employee's pants, as long as she isn't feeling offended or harassed. But still, it's not professional and I was surprised to see it during a corporate televised interview. Having said all that, I can't see how Lee could possibly win this thing. He's in WAAAYYY over his head, if the editing is portraying things accurately. Lee had a good idea about picking loyal people, but it's only a good idea if those people are ALSO capable. INcapable loyal people aren't gonna be an asset. Lenny doesn't even know what a jingle is... how can he plan a major American corporate event? P.S. Oh yeah, the other surprising thing about tonight: that a grown lady who is strong enough to become a millionaire in the business-world would start crying from a nosebleed. Strong women usually don't cry about common injuries, even if they haven't had that particular injury before. It doesn't make sense; it doesn't fit with her personality. I can't see how a bloody nose of unknown origin would make a female millionaire cry. I can understand crying if she found out she has 3 weeks to live, or needs her nose amputated, or something,... but fear of the unknown isn't a trait I expected to see from Andrea or any other proven female. I don't mean to imply that only weak people cry... but something just doesn't add up, character-wise. She can't be all "tough cookie" and bragging about her millionaire earning-power but cry at a nosebleed. I'm sensing some producer-provoked drama. I guess I'll give her the benefit of the doubt, and assume that TPTB didn't make her snort something in the bathroom to cause it, and assume that she already tried to let it dry up on its own, or experienced some symtoms indicating this was worse than the average bloody nose. Last edited by fireflyer; 05-30-2006 at 08:09 AM.

05-30-2006, 01:42 AM	#122
Nintai FORT Regular Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 58	Just watched the show and several things come to mind. Since the competition is over for 16 of them, they might become better followers and team players than when they were shooting for the brass ring. Also, it's another chance to showcase themselves. As far as Lenny helping Lee pick the team, there is some advantage that may have been edited out. Lenny has been at the off-site with everyone and has heard what they had to say about the remaining candidate. Lee would want to know who was bad-mouthing him back in the losers' lounge. Though Lee didn't take his advice about Roxanne. Tammy is an order of magnitude better than Roxanne. While she's not Apprentice material, she does have a lot more going for her than Roxanne. Not sure what to think about the Andrea medical issue. I can see it being any of a number of things. In the end, I hope she is healthy and is okay. Pepi? We didn't really see enough of him to see how he would be as a team member. Might just suck at being a PM but is otherwise a good person to have on the team. With the way editing has been this year, Pepi might be the one to come up with the big idea to make Lee the winner. We will have to see. Speaking of editing, if tonight's show goes like the rest of the season, Lee will win big. Unless that's the twist to it. Guess we'll see next week.

05-30-2006, 01:58 AM	#124
gracie727 FORT Fogey Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,125	On the West Coast, Sean's team was favored 69% by the audience.

05-30-2006, 02:17 AM	#125
donnababe FORT Newbie Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Right here. Posts: 35	Pepi did have a "winning" idea. He asked if they would do a "matching funds" type thing. He received no answer and the other team members did not pick up on it. After the meeting, the two Pontiac people even said they missed a good opportunity by not pushing for it.