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    Quote Originally Posted by galliard
    I imagine that if Kevan had told any of the city kids that they were spoiled in a one-on-one situation, the comment would have been met with any number of reactions; laughter..."no, I'm not!"..."how dare you!"..."you think so?"...etc., and then quickly forgotten. But to call Whitney, Reese and Meagan ALL spoiled at once?
    Well, I agree with that, but it wasn't my point. I was thinking that they couldn't hate him because he called them spoiled, because they didn't know that he called them spoiled.
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    Well, apparently you can't say anything to one of the city kids without the others immediately hearing about it, as evidenced by "The Persian Connection".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chorita KaBoom
    Well, apparently you can't say anything to one of the city kids without the others immediately hearing about it, as evidenced by "The Persian Connection".
    :rolleyes :rolleyes

    It's so funny, because if Reese/Whitney/Meagen had done it instead, everyone would have been b*tching about how evil they are. Kevan gets a free pass on this board.
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    Now, now...I don't think it's that Kevan gets a "free pass" on this board, but I acknowledge most of the postings do seem to be in his favor. Care to explain your disgust of Kevan? This is a forum, after all, and while I certainly respect your right to have a differing opinion from the majority, a bit of elucidation would go a lot farther than an eye rolling emoticon. Just about everyone on the show has displayed some sort of annoying or objectionable behavior at some point (they are human, after all), but for the life of me I can't think of anything Kevan's done that is truly that objectionable. At least he's attempting to do the mature thing and get past this. Granted, he could be doing it for the benefit of the camera, but that's something only Kevan knows for sure. Care to shed some light on your views, Prosecutor Kai?

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    Quote Originally Posted by galliard
    Now, now...I don't think it's that Kevan gets a "free pass" on this board, but I acknowledge most of the postings do seem to be in his favor. Care to explain your disgust of Kevan? This is a forum, after all, and while I certainly respect your right to have a differing opinion from the majority, a bit of elucidation would go a lot farther than an eye rolling emoticon. Just about everyone on the show has displayed some sort of annoying or objectionable behavior at some point (they are human, after all), but for the life of me I can't think of anything Kevan's done that is truly that objectionable. At least he's attempting to do the mature thing and get past this. Granted, he could be doing it for the benefit of the camera, but that's something only Kevan knows for sure. Care to shed some light on your views, Prosecutor Kai?

    P.S.: Not looking for a fight, just some stimulating conversation and exchange of ideas.

    P.P.S: Please don't say he's not "Keepin'-it-real"!
    Well, the whole lying thing just really made me angry. Why lie on a reality show (one that is not strategy based)? The truth will come out eventually. It's just idiotic. Then he confronts Nick about it, which was completely ridiculous.

    And I would have gotten over that after a while, if not for everyone giving him a free pass, while Whitney/Nick/Ariel/Reese/Meagen continue to get bashed. It just seems likke everyone on this board are biased toward the Amish.
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    Kevan isn't one of my favorites.

    In the beginning he was eager to blend in with the city-kids, he had something of a fling with Meagan, but he was a decent chap, he stood somewhere in the middle of it all where the Amish were concerned, he didn't strike me as that open and that welcome to the Amish at first.

    The other city kids drove Kevan into the arms of the Amish after he heard them while standing on the balcony above the gossiping little dunces.
    That little group, with the most vocal three of the city-kids, stabbed Kevan in the back by gossiping about him, he heard it while standing with Jonas and Randy I think, which made him a victim together with them, because at the end of the day, the gossiping was about everybody in the house who wasn't sitting with those city-kids on the terace.

    At that point the relations between the two sides, City and Amish, had already been sealed and defined by the events prior to that moment.

    Kevan grew closer to the Amish, because like them he felt the backstabbing gossip first-hand. He drifted away from the other city kids because they had already acknowledged the gap between Amish and City and were growing closer as a City-unit together.

    Meaghan basically acts like a woman scorned, she had something with Kevan, but that something was aborted, something she would have liked to see develop further. She's scrambling to find more reasons to not like Kevan, because she needs those to convince herself. Point in case the whole Persian-thing.
    She sighed and told the world, and herself, that Kevan's persian-half was a negative influence on Kevan and his relationships with women.
    She's also a self-proclaimed expert on all things Kevan, because she had some short fling with him.

    Reese, he's had a crush on Kevan ever since they first met. He admitted that much. Like Meaghan, he's basically jealous, because he can't have something he wants.
    Reese is a drama-queen, he wants to have things because he wants to want. He likes the feeling of desire, he's attracted to attention like a dung beetle is attracted to sh*t. Kevan doesn't play his game, and he can't stand it.

    Ariel... that girl is out of this world. Nobody knows what's going on in her mind.

    Whitney, she's not even a good liar. She goes with Reese and the other city-kids, because she feels that she's so much better than the Amish. She can't add 2 plus 2, but she screams and cries that her wisdom lies in the wonderfull world of "Life". You know the type of person I'm talking about.
    They think they're all that, because they think that they've got insights others don't have. And because they think they're all that, it must simply be so.

    Nick, big cry-baby, he wants to be a city kid because he has nothing but disdain for the Amish, he'd rather flee the house if it weren't for the cameras present. He doesn't like the Amish, and he doesn't like the City-kids, but he feels as if he has to make a choice, and it boils down to who he likes the least, so the Amish group will be shunned by Nick.
    He never liked Kevan to begin with, Kevan was his biggest threat. Nick wants to be Alpha-male in the City-camp, and Kevan was a direct challenge to that position. Kevan drifted to the Amish-side and Nick couldn't have cared less about it, to him Kevan drifted further away from becoming that Alpha-male-threat to his position.
    The Persian thing... the fact that he used the information Kevan gave him to make fun of Kevan and to disrupt the relationship between Kevan and the City-kids further than it had already been, is telling of the theory that he sees Kevan as a threat to his image of masculinity within the group.
    It's also something that might result in his reluctance to participate in the events... he needs to play it cool and distant, the eternal macho who doesn't "do" mud-baths.

    But still, I'm not a big fan of Kevan.

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    Wow! I'd call that a pretty thorough analysis, Cairon...and I'd say accurate, too IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kai5925
    Well, the whole lying thing just really made me angry. Why lie on a reality show (one that is not strategy based)? The truth will come out eventually. It's just idiotic. Then he confronts Nick about it, which was completely ridiculous.
    It was a dumb move on Kevan's part.

    I think it had something to do with feeling morally superior to the others. He told Nick a lie in confidence. He wanted to test Nick, to see if he was going to tell the lie to the others. Kevan wanted to see if Nick would keep something personal, told in private, a secret.

    Nick, of course, told the others...

    I think that Kevan never really trusted Nick, heck, He downright stated his distrust of Nick, and he knew when he told Nick the lie to test him, that Nick would fail by telling the others.

    This creates that sense of superiority. Kevan is the one who tests the others. Those who undergo the test are always below the one who designs and executes the test. The test was a moral one: "Will you tell them a secret I told you in private?".

    I think Kevan wanted to see Nick fail, because it would endorse his image of being a morally superior person to Nick and the others. Kevan is the teacher who can now shake his head with dissapointment at Nick.

    Of course the backlash was too big. I don't think Kevan anticipated that this would be blown up so big.

    And I would have gotten over that after a while, if not for everyone giving him a free pass, while Whitney/Nick/Ariel/Reese/Meagen continue to get bashed. It just seems likke everyone on this board are biased toward the Amish.
    While Kevan made a remarkably stupid move, the backlash was exagerrated. The first thing that was striking was that Kevan didn't deny what Nick said, he acknowledged his own lie in front of the others.
    So Nick told informed the others of Kevan's lie, thinking it truth, Kevan chose to run with it, and endorse the lie. He should have denied it right then and there, he should have told the truth.

    He should have made it an issue of "who do you trust, the prime source, or the secondary source?".

    Kevan should have put the others in front of a choice they would have to make in the open. Do you trust Nick, who says that Kevan isn't half-persian, or do you trust Kevan, the person whose life you're discussing.

    If you're going to act superior, then at least make it a decent attempt. If you're going to test someone on loyalty, then don't endorse your own lies.

    I have to side with the people who had nothing to do with the debacle. Kevan lied, and it's his arrogance that got him into this rather nasty situation. Nick failed a test, even when born out of arrogance, the goal was amendable, it is a test of loyalty, and Nick failed it, giving way to the whole mess.

    So Kevan stays on my chopping block.

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    wow! Excellent analyses! More more!! hahaha I love how you have everything so organized and written out in how you read into these peoples psyhe. Its so accurate and on queue. You wouldnt happen to be a shrink would ya?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeNNiF00F00
    wow! Excellent analyses! More more!! hahaha I love how you have everything so organized and written out in how you read into these peoples psyhe. Its so accurate and on queue. You wouldnt happen to be a shrink would ya?
    Teacher-in-training.

    But seriously, as far as group-dynamics go, this show is pretty fun to watch, because you can see the sub-groups form, and you can see the alpha-males become more prominent. It's a fun experience to watch the groups as a whole and the individual members, develop themselves.

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