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Jonas is not from a backwater third world country somewhere. He may not have been completely exposed to other cultures, but he KNOWS that they exist. I don't care how sheltered he was, he can still adjust.Originally Posted by Cairon
:rolleyes He was using the word in a negative context. "I thought that was so weird!" (Not a direct quote, but it basically sums up what he was trying to say).Originally Posted by Cairon
Actually, I don't remember the city kids saying ANYTHING worse than "weird" about the Amish culture...which is the same thing Jonas said about the other cultures.Originally Posted by Cairon
The only difference between that scenario and the one we are talking about is a different word.Originally Posted by Cairon
We aren't talking about Jonas' desire to study, darling. We are talking about his hypocrisy.Originally Posted by Cairon
How is it not tolerant? How is it judgemental? All I'm doing is comparing too sound bites, in one he calls a culture weird. In another he is angry because others are calling HIS culture weird.Originally Posted by Cairon
I don't see what point you are trying to make here. He is obviously not learning about other cultures, if that's what you mean.Originally Posted by Cairon
When did I generalize? Please tell me one time where I said "All of the Amish" and not "Jonas".Originally Posted by Cairon
If you told me that you worshipped ants and believed that one day the ant god would come and wreak havoc on the world, I wouldn't call you weird. I have no information on your religion, but still, I wouldn't call you weird.Originally Posted by Cairon
The boy is not an idiot. I am 100% he has studied (or at least heard about) other cultures in school. It has nothing to do with him being sheltered. I mean you say that you see him as an alien, but he really isn't. The Amish know that there are other communites and religions out there. It's not like they live completely in seclusion.Originally Posted by Cairon
Okay, how do YOU know that he's willing to look at things from a different perspective? All I am judging by is what I see on my TV screen, and I have seen a hypocrite.Originally Posted by Cairon
Just out of curiosity, who are the "others in that house" that you are referring to?
It made more sense than yours.Originally Posted by Cairon
Saying that Jonas wasn't using weird in a negative way? :rolleyes That's a delusion.
Well said, Carion. Your points were not lost on me. "Weird" is not a derogatory term. You mentioned a couple synonyms, but here's a few more: unearthly, uncanny, fantastic, bizarre, eerie, mysterious, odd, peculiar. The word is widely misused as it is meant to refer to things involving the supernatural. I agree too that Jonas didn't mean to dismiss or put down the Indian culture. He was just making an observation. Besides, I judge a person more by actions than by words. Jonas and the other Amish kids have shown nothing but respect for other cultures and have shown an innate curiosity about other religions as well. Look at how they ask questions about the Hare Krishna, Islam, Hinduism, and the Chinese medicines - just to name a few examples. They obviously don't know about other cultures and religions or else they wouldn't be asking the questions in the first place. I find it interesting, though not surprising, they are consistently trying to draw parallels to their Amish upbringing, which is their only frame of reference. I don't believe there is a malicious intent to any of their comments. Their observations arguably may be ignorant at times, but it comes from naiveté, not bigotry. The fact is most Amish are very isolated. There is very little interaction between them and us, certainly not enough to be all-knowing about the outside world. I live in Ohio, the state that has more Amish than any other, and I would have to go out of my way to cross paths with them. I can't even recall the last time I saw an Amish person. Carion, I agree with your take on the hypocrisy issue too. Jonas hasn't done a thing to warrant such a harsh label. It doesn't even remotely apply to him.Originally Posted by Cairon
After watching this show from the start, I have to ask the question: Is Jonas a closet case? I mean this guy takes every opportunity to take his shirt off, couldn't keep his eyes off the token gay housemate when his boyfriend showed up for a visit (yet managed to distance himself quite nicely), appears to have a bit of a crush on Kevan (his tutor), is as chummy with the females as said token gay housemate, and looks up to Randy (literally) like he was checking out one of the women. Like others here, I don't think Jonas will go back to Amish-land, because I think he is looking for an opportunity to get out of that closet (and what better place than L.A.). He's simply 2Q2BSTR8. Be curious to see where he lands in five years.![]()
Hmmm...Sorry, I don't really see it, but I guess anything is possible.
Don't see it either. Goinging, I think. :rolleyes
I also didn't hear Jonas say he thought any of the mid-east cultures were "weird". Some of the other Amish used the word "different" this past episode but not "weird". Though I can recall Ruth having used it in the past.
Jonas seems ok to me.
I've had such a crush on this kid since the beginning, and though I was leaning toward Mose recently, Jonas totally won me over with his 'milking' exchange with Ariel. He's just a smart kid. I loved how he kept his temper and explained haw a fanatic instills fear and misunderstanding through highlighting only the bad parts of a situation, he really handled himself well. HE's such a cutie![]()
You poor girl.Originally Posted by Glitternerfball
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'm a fan of this guy. To me he seems the one who don't really care what other people think of him and he's gonna voice his opinion regardless. And he does that in a well mannered way (not like most ppl who just blurt random crap out as if they were barking). I don't think he's ever done anything to discriminate or put down another culture, he may have called it "weird" or "different" but did not questioned anyones believes and being totally against.![]()
I thought it was awesome seeing him dress in Indian clothing. He said it was "different" but he loved it, said it was comfortable and unique. Also his drive to gain an education is something that is respectable. He wants to make himself a better man and help ppl around him and not be bound to his 8th grade education and his contracting work. Either way I don't have a problem with Jonas and nothings really come up to make me even question the fact that he's a good guy. He sticks up for ppl (ex. Ruth, Kevan,) and fights for what he believes in..nothing wrong with that at all...![]()
Last edited by JonasIsTheMan; 09-17-2004 at 12:12 AM.
Jonas was really great. I wouldn't mind having him for a friend. At least there would be loyalty and honor, and that is what one looks for in a friend. Those city kids didn't really appreciate him like they should have. We all need to be more like Jonas. Go get em Jonas.