11-10-2006, 12:47 AM #1881
Another Basic Question
Razorbacker, why can't the station simply play a song off of the album if they like it and it's a good song. I realize it makes sense for the marketer/agent to try and control how songs are "released", but the songs have been out there for people to buy for a while now. How can a song currently on an album be "released"? Is there an agreement or embargo or something on playing a song off an album until the performer asks that it be played as a single?
Thanks in advance,
11-10-2006, 08:52 AM #1882
Basically a station can play what they want & some do. But, if a label has made the decision to release a particular single their goal is always to get that single to #1. They need to get stations to play it. Let's take for example Before He Cheats, the label asks stations to play it & it starts to rise up the charts & hits #3 or #2, then some of the stations decrease the spins for Before He Cheats & begin to play Wasted. The spins for Wasted may actually prevent Before He Cheats from hitting #1. So it can & does happen, but record labels try as much as possible to prevent it. I think it is in the best interest of the artists for the stations to play 1 current single at a time. By the way even though BHC has already hit #1, there is a station in Chicago that has already begun to play Wasted pretty heavily. And from a stations point of view, they want to keep their playlists current so that their audience is hearing the latest & greatest.
Originally Posted by MTI422;2136023;
11-10-2006, 01:10 PM #1883
This is a very complimentary article, I thought you might like to read it.
NASHVILLE SKYLINE: Carrie Underwood: Why Her? Why Now?
The CMA Hoopla Was Controversial, but She Deserves Wins
By: Chet Flippo
NASHVILLE SKYLINE is a column by CMT/CMT.com Editorial Director Chet Flippo.)
Carrie Underwood has been the hottest thing going in country music this year. Why her? Why now?
Underwood and Alison Krauss are the only two female country artists to win the CMA's Horizon and female vocalist awards the same year. Krauss won in 1995; Underwood this past week. One major difference: Krauss had been recording for years. Her breakthrough, 1995's multi-platinum Now That I've Found You, came eight years after the release of her debut album, Too Late to Cry.
Underwood's breakthrough was her debut album Some Hearts which was released Nov. 15, 2005. It was just certified quadruple platinum for shipments of 4 million copies. She just got her journalism degree in May of this year from Oklahoma's Northeastern State University. (Interesting that the only two other country artists I know of with journalism degrees are Bill Anderson and Jimmy Buffett.)
Something is up here. What is it?
Well. Beyond the Internet hubbub surrounding Faith Hill's reaction to Underwood's win for CMA female vocalist of the year award, there has been a message sweeping through the Internet that was briefly posted on a certain female artist's official Web site that read, in part, "These awards shows are SO political and we all get fed up with them. We all work very hard and have for many years, so to see someone come in and win female vocalist that has been here for a VERY short time is a little disheartening. That is why we have the Horizon award, and Carrie had an incredible year, enough to sweep that one. I don't think Faith was angry about her loss, she probably felt, as I did, that Carrie has not paid her dues long enough to fully deserve that award."
That post was pretty quickly removed, although I still see mentions of it on this certain artist's CMT message board. Obviously, emotions were running high at the CMA Awards show last Monday night (Nov. 6).
I'll tell you one thing. Any woman having success in country music fully deserves it. It's been pretty obvious for years that women in country have a very hard road to traverse. And always have had a tough row to plow. It would be good for every serious country music fan to sometime sit down and read the book Finding Her Voice: The Saga of Women in Country Music by Mary A. Bufwack and Robert K. Oermann. It would open some eyes to the paths that country women have followed.
Obviously Carrie Underwood -- as well as other contemporary women -- is reaping the benefits of decades of hard dues-paying by pioneering women artists from Maybelle Carter to Patsy Montana to Texas Ruby to Patsy Cline to Loretta Lynn and Dolly Parton and Tammy Wynette to Trisha Yearwood and Patty Loveless and many more.
Underwood has had two No. 1 country hits on the Billboard charts (plus a No. 1 pop hit) in less than a year. Why? Because she's recording good music and the public likes her and wants to hear her sing. That's pretty simple.
It was not always that direct and that quick a route for women in country to get accepted as artists and to get access to country audiences. Loretta Lynn first charted a country single on Billboard's country chart in 1960. She got her first No. 1 Billboard hit in 1966. Dolly Parton first charted in 1967 and got her first No. 1 three years later. Trisha Yearwood debuted with a No. 1 single, but it was three years before she got her second. Patty Loveless first charted in 1985 and got her first No. 1 in 1989. Reba McEntire first charted in 1976 and didn't get her first No. 1 till 1982.
Did I say Carrie Underwood has had a bunch of them in less than one year? Well, there you go. Others plowed the fields for years before she could sow and reap her crop. But it's good that they did so, because now it's working.
I spent a lot of years touring and being backstage and in record label and management offices with both rock and country artists, both men and women, and much of the treatment and attitude I witnessed toward women artists in both fields ranged from condescending to disgusting. And I learned from a few very smart women that they worked much harder than men because they knew that success would give them the power that they needed to rise above all of that muck. And if they have empowered the women artists who have followed them, so much the better.
I know why some women may wonder about Underwood's rapid rise. Almost all female country artists who have been successful paid dues for years before success came calling. Obviously, Underwood has benefited hugely from the enormous drive of American Idol and the fact that she was its only country winner. And she now enjoys the influential marketing and radio power of the powerful engine that is Sony BMG Nashville, which was responsible for eight of the 10 major CMA Award winners this year.
I'll tell you what, though. Carrie Underwood is entirely deserving of her success. Like Alison Krauss before her, she brings a fresh and energetic force to country. And that's why audiences respond to her. She has the talent and the personality and the smarts and the charm. She really is a small-town girl from Checotah, Okla., and it shows. She is country. May she have more progress. And so may all female country artists have continued growth. More power to them.
11-10-2006, 01:38 PM #1884
One thing I don't understand - why does someone have to 'pay their dues' before winning Female/Male Vocalist/Entertainer of the Year? The award is for 'the year' and not 'a lifetime'. Who picks the nominees? Who are the voters for the CMA? If the people in the industry vote, then doesn't the award speak for itself? That her peers think she is worthy of the nomination and the win?
I guess there wasn't such an outcry when Allison Krauss won both awards in the same year because she had other albums under her belt so she had 'paid her dues.'
Would the same have been said toward Miranda Lambert (I think she's the Nashville Star winner) if she had won both awards this year?
11-10-2006, 02:59 PM #1885
The awards are voted on by approximately 6,000 members of the Country Music Association. These include artists, musicians, producers, executives, writers & even Country Radio personalities. So it seems to me that those folks felt Carrie deserved the award & therefore voted for her to win.
Originally Posted by harleychick;2136459;
You are right it is an award to honor someone for their year's accomplishments. They have the lifetime acheivement awards & the Hall Of Fame to honor someone for a longer time frame. No one in Country music this year has had a bigger year than Carrie, male or female. She has spent more weeks at #1 on the album chart & the singles chart than anyone else this year. Her album has sold over a million more copies than the next closest competitor. What more do these women want?
As to the whole paying dues thing, that seems to me to be a very knee jerk reaction by some. American Idol itself should be enough to qualify as paying dues. Tim McGraw, or Mr. Faith Hill, has himself been quoted as saying that there was no way he would have ever made it through the show, & he was very complimentary of all those that did. Of course, that was before Carrie started to win awards over his wife.
By the way, what these folks don't seem to take into account are all those years that Carrie spent singing at fairs, rodeos, car shows, & touring through Ok. & Ark. just trying to get someones attention. They also seem to forget that Carrie went to Nashville when she was just 15 & had many many doors slammed in her face. I think she has paid her dues.
Miranda Lambert finished 3rd place on Nashville Star.
Last edited by razorbacker; 11-10-2006 at 03:04 PM.
11-12-2006, 07:27 PM #1886
Carrie has been nominated for 6 Billboard awards. She's up against some of her neemesis from the CMA'S. Should be interesting.
Mary J. Blige
Female Country Artist
High School Musical
All the Right Reasons
Mary J. Blige
Me and My Gang
Me and My Gang
The Road and the Radio
The Legend of Johnny Cash
11-12-2006, 10:46 PM #1887
I hope she picks up a couple more. Tht would really infuriate some, wouldn't it?
11-12-2006, 10:54 PM #1888
Would validate the CMA awards, I would think. Plus, she is up against Faith in the People's Choice Awards - be sure to vote for your favorites.
Originally Posted by Muduh;2138952;
Last edited by harleychick; 11-12-2006 at 11:22 PM.
11-12-2006, 11:29 PM #1889
Carrie Underwood and Kelly Clarkson are both up for the best female artist. They have both won awards for best albums. Kelly by the AMA and Carrie by the CMA. It just goes to show the positive influence American Idol has had on the music industry.
11-13-2006, 08:03 AM #1890
Sorry, but Some Hearts wasn't even nominated for best album by the CMA,that was an all boys club won by Brad Paisley. I would definitely take Female Vocalist of the Year & the Horizon Award over Best Album though. But to your other point I agree that AI has opened up the eyes of the music industry to some true talent.
Originally Posted by Cornedbeef;2138999;
Last edited by razorbacker; 11-13-2006 at 08:06 AM.
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