07-19-2003, 04:00 PM #131
Originally Posted by ruben_of_205
so you do think he does sound pop...and you do agree that he is special...and you are placing him up there with the big boys....well there you go Nausicaa...even rubens fans are putting clay on a pedestal...could it get any better....Thank you Ruben-of-205 lol!!!!!!!
07-19-2003, 04:10 PM #132
that was so cute, Mr.Bunbkury
Originally Posted by Mr. Bunbury
07-19-2003, 04:53 PM #133
if he falls off that pedestal, I will pick him back up and put him on that pedestal, if he falls off again, I will pick him back up and super glue his butt up there, love clay, lol
Originally Posted by graycat11
07-19-2003, 05:23 PM #134
Originally Posted by srs_in_Oregon
whooy molly! theres only one thing I could add to this, in #2.........where do I get a hooker outfit.....lol
07-19-2003, 06:02 PM #135
and no my nick name is not talk-alot-sue
07-19-2003, 06:02 PM #136
I hope your message wasn't specifically directed at me. First of all, I explained quite explicitly that me comparing Clay to "God" is a figure of speech (hence, the quotation marks). Second of all, please do not tell me how to invest my time, just because I'm the voice of dissent. I'm taking full-year courses during the summer, working part-time, and yes, I *do* volunteer - at Amnesty International,OPIRG, and Engineers without Borders. Hanging out here at FORT is just a pleasant distraction from the realities of life.
Originally Posted by gumdrop38
I'm not sure what the award thing has to do with anything...why should Clay hold grudges?
As for the title of the show - well, if you want to argue semantics, the *literal* meaning of "idol" is an object of worship, or someone we reify. And yet you already stated that Clay isn't a god...
07-19-2003, 06:07 PM #137
Aarrghh!!! *tries to poke eyeballs out with chopsticks* A pox on you, abrahammy! Thinking of Clay’s scrawny, mealy body in all sorts of sexual contortions is really making me reconsider the merits of having an overactive imagination.
Originally Posted by Grisabella
I mean, it’s a good point (even if it’s one I wouldn’t have touched with a ten-foot pole), but did you have to be so…detailed?
Now, Daniel Day-Lewis - there’s a real man for you! *eyes glaze over*
I like your post, hazyshadeof. It was short but succinct. But I ain’t hatin’ on nobody, especially not on someone I don’t even know. I save my reservoir of hate for landlords, profs, and housemates who never wash their own damn dishes
07-19-2003, 06:55 PM #138
No, I see what you're saying, grantaire02 (why is there an 02 behind your moniker?) However, I think that just because Clay fans feel he is a "breath of fresh air" in the contemporary music scene, it doesn't mean he's going to reinvent pop as we know it. Too early to tell, I say. Let the boy make some *really* credible music first (and not just saccharine melodies that sound like so much of the stuff put out by Diane Warren.)
Originally Posted by grantaire02
As for Madonna - well, she's not so much about musical "depth" as she is about subverting traditional sexual roles (i.e. Virgin/Whore) and enpowering women. That why postmodernists like Camille Paglia, who celebrate fragmentation and contradiction, adore her. "I am my own work of art" is probably one of the better-known catchphrases in the history of music. She is practically an institution unto herself, and it will be many, *many* years before the same thing could be said of Clay.
Furthermore, I think that while a lot of pop and r&b music out there is, as you say, juvenile, you can't just discredit all of it with one broad sweep of the brush. Sure, Snoop Dogg, Ja Rule, and Nelly get old fast, but would you call Lauryn Hill, india.arie, or Alicia Keye's music juvenile? And sure, lots of "artists/poseurs" stick incomprehensible, "deep" messages in their music, which ends up being pretty non-melodic anyway. However, for every one of them there's a Ryan (not Bryan!) Adams or Glenn Lewis (now there’s melody *and* subtlety for ya!) , Mathew Good, or Sam Roberts. And sure, there's plenty o' bubblegum pop out there, but there's also people like Norah Jones or Bic Runga. And heck, if you want to claim that Clay's music is so much more *real* because he's not a manufactured product (even though, in a way, he is), then I could counter-argue that if you want an artist who *really* keeps it "real", 50 Cent is your man. I mean, he has done all of the stuff he raps about, and I'm sure most of his music ain't studio-enhanced.
To conclude, my theory is: if you didn't find what you liked before Clay came along (uh, hello, Josh Groban?!), then it's because you didn't look hard enough, not because it's not there.
P.S. And Clay's music, voice, or gestures can be considered as subtle?
07-19-2003, 07:23 PM #139
I meant, of course, Grisabella I couldn't edit it because the 30-minute time restriction had already expired.
Originally Posted by nausicaa
07-19-2003, 09:28 PM #140
Originally Posted by nausicaa
ahem, I think you might want to go back and reread Gumdrops post, I think you might have misread it. I got the impression she was speaking as Clay would have regarding volunteering time to help others, not at you, or anyone of us specifically.
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