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    Deep Idol Thoughts #234: The Musical Instrument Topic

    Here's something to kick around and discuss...

    While the quality of the contestants on this show unarguably sharply increased (I'd say by at least a power of three) the moment they opened the show up to playing musical instruments, there's been a flip side to this.

    We get people like Andrew (and to my mind also Casey), who arguably "hide behind their instruments".

    It made me start to think about whether or not there's some middleground. To add to the same "testing" process Idol supposedly pushes them through by making them do things like sing different genres.

    How about this... introduce one show of the main part of the season where instruments are verboten. Make it a very loose theme week so as not to add to the burden.

    Thoughts? I mean there's probably just as good an argument that its just as unnecessary in a sense as the theme weeks are, since in their inevitable careers they WON'T be singing different genres, or ditching their instruments if they don't want to. But if the show IS intent on this "jump through the hoops" setup, then why not? If the hoops have to be there, at least vary them a bit.

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    Re: Deep Idol Thoughts #234: The Musical Instrument Topic

    I like the instruments. If that is who they are as artists... I say let them do it. What would Springsteen be without his guitar? or Billy Joel without the piano? Probably good singers... but their performance is the package.
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    Re: Deep Idol Thoughts #234: The Musical Instrument Topic

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonbonlover;3868904;
    I like the instruments. If that is who they are as artists... I say let them do it. What would Springsteen be without his guitar? or Billy Joel without the piano? Probably good singers... but their performance is the package.
    I agree.... I think since they allowed instruments, the performances (that are good) are even better. Imagine if Bo could have played??

    That said, I don't want anyone to hide behind them either.
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    Re: Deep Idol Thoughts #234: The Musical Instrument Topic

    Quote Originally Posted by Krom;3868886;
    We get people like Andrew (and to my mind also Casey), who arguably "hide behind their instruments".
    I have never understood what this means, really...hiding what, exactly? And what about Crystal? Has she performed yet without an instrument? What's Andrew & Casey "hiding" that she isn't?

    Anyway, it's one of the more nonsensical critiques that the judges dole out. It makes no difference whatsoever if a vocalist always performs with an instrument. It hasn't hurt Dave Grohl, Elton John, Melissa Etheridge, Steve Earle, Sheryl Crow...just naming a few of my own favourites, and leaving out dozens of band frontmen who also play. David Cook showed up on the Idol stage this season with his guitar and it didn't detract from his performance.

    The judges' critiques this season have been random, inconsistent, and often just plain silly. When "pitchy" gets overused, let's accuse the contestants of turning in weaker performances because they're playing musical instruments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by libgirl2;3869139;
    I agree.... I think since they allowed instruments, the performances (that are good) are even better. Imagine if Bo could have played??
    That said, I don't want anyone to hide behind them either.
    It wouldn't have made a bit of difference in the finish that year. None whatsoever. I'm sure you are aware that Carrie plays guitar & piano.

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    The use of instruments would have really helped some contestants back when the band was so loud it detracted from the performances. They seem to have gotten the sound under control in the last year or two....but there was a spell when the loudness of the band was a major topic here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJane;3869233;
    I have never understood what this means, really...hiding what, exactly? And what about Crystal? Has she performed yet without an instrument? What's Andrew & Casey "hiding" that she isn't?
    Actually she did.

    She came out from behind that piano, after an introductory section and sang at least half the song on her feet.

    And that's the point of the comment: movement. People playing instruments usually can't (or at least don't) move. It works fine for a lot of songs, but for others it starts feeling a bit claustrophobic and stiff. Being able to stomp around a stage for certain songs brings dynamism. It doesn't need to be in every song--shouldn't even be in MOST of them for some types of artists--but its a welcome changeup when you've got a whole "set" and are changing tone part way through. The big songs, the "rockers", really benefit from it.

    Look at Casey next time (unless he realizes this). He just stands behind a microphone, guitar resting on his side a bit, kind of just isolated in a virtual glass box from the audience. Even among those who stand still for a song, he's kind of static.

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    Re: Deep Idol Thoughts #234: The Musical Instrument Topic

    I'm all for instruments in "real life" if people can play them really well, and there are many who can. There are many people who can play the piano or guitar really well and sing like nobody's business. It's a real skill. Somebody mentioned Elton John. Puhleeze. These people are so far from Elton John it's not even funny.

    At first, the instrument idea seemed good. Hey, more fun! Right? Well, how's that saying? You give an inch etc. etc. This show has now become a jungle full of pitifully sub-par coffee shop crooners who are tethered to their instrument crutches week after week. Most people who dropped the guitar/piano/ukulele/balalaika/whatever for a week have faltered. Not that most of them had anything by way of vocal talent to write home about to begin with. As it stands right now, some of them absolutely need to be hanging on to something in order to be able to perform - and I use that term extremely loosely as performance values this season have been practically non-existent - and that's ridiculous for what is supposedly still a singing show. I say supposedly because Idol still insists on clinging to that pretext despite all evidence to the contrary. Several of these contestants only strum three chords on their precious guitars and that's about the extent of their instrument related talent which, again, is laughable. I can strum three chords on my daughter's guitar too and can hold a tune. Sort of. Hey, I'd fit right in this season!

    I think there should be a rule that if you used an instrument one week, you should go naked, so to speak, the next week and *gulp* just stand there and sing. I know, shocking, absolutely shocking, idea! And no instruments past the F5. Stand and deliver or go the hell home. This would probably sink three quarters of the remaining contestants but I wouldn't feel sorry for them one bit. There are at least 178244 guitar playing idiots out there who can sing a little or are just aping some other idiot with a guitar and sound exactly alike. I've heard better stuff in subways in Chicago than on Idol this year. No wonder Crystal signed up although there was this other guy a few years back at the Chicago Avenue EL stop that blew me away every time and he was better than Crystal will ever be. Wonder what happened to him... But do we really need another 10 of them polluting the airwaves?? Uhm, no, we don't.
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    Re: Deep Idol Thoughts #234: The Musical Instrument Topic

    Quote Originally Posted by razorbacker;3869307;
    It wouldn't have made a bit of difference in the finish that year. None whatsoever. I'm sure you are aware that Carrie plays guitar & piano.
    I know that, she had a solid big win over him..... I just would have liked his performances more, hers too.
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    Re: Deep Idol Thoughts #234: The Musical Instrument Topic

    You're right, AJane, Crystal has used an instrument every week. Andrew, on the other hand, has not.

    In my opinion, Crystal's piano playing was not that great, and she seemed awkward looking down at the keys most of the time she was playing. But I think she was attempting to show her versatility, so it probably played to her advantage.

    I don't see Casey as "hiding behind his guitar." I think he plays it because he is a fantastic guitar player! I don't see him as using it as a prop. I also don't think it would hurt him any to perform without it one week, especially if he's seated and doesn't feel the need to figure out something to do with his arms or move about the stage.

    Andrew dropped the guitar on Miley week, so I guess he's paid his dues!
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