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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill
    Of the three judges, I think Simon is most on point, and more often. He is telling them what they need to hear, and not necessarily what they want to hear (as is the case with Paula).

    Simon not only tells them what they need to hear, but he is preparing them for the music business.
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    I must be in the minority because altho I might not like how Simon says his opinions, I tend to agree with the content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by famita
    I must be in the minority because altho I might not like how Simon says his opinions, I tend to agree with the content.
    I think you're actually in the majority.

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    Yes, I don't always like how he says it, but I agree with Simon far more times than not.

    And, at least he does find an interesting way of saying things. Kindof hard after four seasons, twelve finalists, countless performances to judge. He is far more interesting than Randy and Paula.

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    I have seen Il Divo perform on two morning talk shows. They did a version of "Unbreak My Heart" in Italian. It was truly awful, at least to my ears. I am not big into Josh Groban either, but I can appreciate and enjoy his voice when I hear it. This was not on the same par, IMO. Maybe it was just this song. But watching the guys with their cheesy grins (for a sad song?) as they sing and gesture, with their voices vibrato-ing in different speeds... it just didn't do it for me.

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    Maybe my initial post wasn't clear.

    I really do value Simon's opinion. I went to art school and understand the value of a real critique. He is more often more on target than Paula (incomprehensible) and Randy (yo). He is also often more biting than he has to be. I think that he would entirely miss talent if it weren't for others to balance out his quick opinion. That quickness to judge CAN be detrimental. I think there are a lot of people who need to get past nerves before their true talent shows. Thankfully, that balance is put into place.

    Were I to judge Simon's judging I would say that he needs to be a little less quick to seal his opinion and more open to the process. Constantine and Bo (?) are two examples of huge talent he would has passed on - whether or not they become THE idol. Personally, I hope and think it will be one of the two of them.

    I also do love Michael Buble, Josh Groban, etc. (I spent the morning with Tony Bennet on in my studio). My remark was more about who is his market. I'm not dooming Il Divo, I think there is a (big) place for them. Simon was smart to introduce them on Oprah. Although he presents himself as a specialist in the pop market, where these men do not belong.

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    Well maybe Simon shouldn't be using the term "pop-era" (pop opera) to describe them if they won't have appeal with the pop market. I honestly don't know who they would appeal to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redmermaid
    I really do value Simon's opinion. I went to art school and understand the value of a real critique. He is more often more on target than Paula (incomprehensible) and Randy (yo). He is also often more biting than he has to be.
    The music business is very tough, and there are a lot of people that are much worse than Simon that folks have to deal with. He did, or does, work for a record company and knows it's about money more than talent. A lot of these people that have appeared on AI wouldn't have been able to get a foot in the door of a record company, they should be greatful for the experience and exposure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cottoncandy
    I have seen Il Divo perform on two morning talk shows. They did a version of "Unbreak My Heart" in Italian. It was truly awful, at least to my ears. I am not big into Josh Groban either, but I can appreciate and enjoy his voice when I hear it. This was not on the same par, IMO. Maybe it was just this song. But watching the guys with their cheesy grins (for a sad song?) as they sing and gesture, with their voices vibrato-ing in different speeds... it just didn't do it for me.
    I think IL Divo does speak to Simon's credibility. The group's vocals aren't exciting, but each guy is a hunk. It's clear that Simon's obsession with looks (as apparent on AI) has carried over to the Il Divo realm.
    I think looks was one reason Simon went for Constantine over Bo in Hollywood semi-finals. It was Randy and Paula who put the retro, kinda scraggly Bo through.

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    whoa, i think i've never seen a group so pro-simon before LOL

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