Victoria - Cycle 9

[withoutasol]

Originally Posted by Razor_Lotus

She doesn't give respect that she got on the show. As cheezy as the editings are, people will love to be in the spot and then go ranting off about how horrible ANTM is. And some people here hate the show and brag about how it isn't like "The Agency" but people here have like tons of posts, which is the funny part.

Well Victoria is still a sore loser...end of story.

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Whats Victoria's myspace?

EDIT: I can't believe Victoria smokes...isn't she "smart" enough to quit.?

i sooo agree. soo many people are always complaining about the show being editted and that its not like real modelling or whatever... rant rant rant... then they proclaim to never watch the show again because a certain contestant is eliminated and every season they're back. its a reality show, people should jsut take it as it is and enjoy.

theres something about victoria which still rubs me the wrong way. someitmes the girl is better off just not saying anything. when someone says that you come off as prickly, doing a concensus vote to put the other girls on the spot doesn't bode in your favor.

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[RealityLovesMe]

Originally Posted by mayukhers112

Wouldn't you want to defend yourself if you were in Victoria's position? I certainly would've done something similar to what Victoria did if Tyra called me out on having a "prickly disposition"; it's human nature.

Also, what actions can she be held responsible for?

Victoria should be held responsible for her "prickly" behavior on the show. She did talk back at every panel and she did say that she thinks she is a lot smarter than the other girls. There is a clear boundary between being defensive and being offensive. Victoria may have been defending herself when she told Twiggy she did not have a "prickly disposition," but the "let's take a vote move" was out of line and disrespectful. Making fun of Tyra's wait was very offensive.
Everyone should know that top model, like all reality shows, is somewhat more scripted than actual reality. Victoria is not saying anything new. She is just trying to discredit a show that she was booted from ... because she is bitter.

[fash]

ok first of all, she was only goaded into saying she was smarter than the other girls by trya. remember, she initially said she thought they were all smart. and you know what? its pretty clear that she WAS smarter than the other girls anyway, just didnt care that much about the show (and that is probably an intelligent call in and of itself).

nd she only "talked back" at the last panel when they accused her and being something she wasn't. good for her for defending herself. the let's take a vote move was gutsy, but it was the only way to prove tyra and the judges wrong-- by asking the people who actually lived with her. in her interviews she doesn't come across as bitter, rather funny and likeable. a lot of the interviewers said she was refreshing to talk to and very cute.


and i think you meant "weight," not "wait"...

[nimbusJP]

hey guys...
If you were on the show and the judges have tried to label you as a insecure,snobbish,prickly person...which you really didn't think you were and protrayed that on TV,what would you gonna do?
You would rather give up your self-esteem in order to win the competition and let them talking trash about you or you would clear yourself but got eliminated?
For me,I would've taken the second choice.As being grateful??Com'on,they don't even quarantee a job for the girls after the show except the winner.

[RealityLovesMe]

Originally Posted by fash

ok first of all, she was only goaded into saying she was smarter than the other girls by trya. remember, she initially said she thought they were all smart. and you know what? its pretty clear that she WAS smarter than the other girls anyway, just didnt care that much about the show (and that is probably an intelligent call in and of itself).

nd she only "talked back" at the last panel when they accused her and being something she wasn't. good for her for defending herself. the let's take a vote move was gutsy, but it was the only way to prove tyra and the judges wrong-- by asking the people who actually lived with her. in her interviews she doesn't come across as bitter, rather funny and likeable. a lot of the interviewers said she was refreshing to talk to and very cute.

I don't know if we are talking about the same person here. I think you are confused because Victoria didn't prove that she was smarter than the other girls because she didn't take the judges advice. She made a stupid decision by trusting herself more than the judges who have all those years of experience. Victoria didn't have to say that she doesn't think the other girls are smart. The other girls may not go to a university as overrated as Yale, but many of them are in college. Ambreal also goes to a great school and Mila is already in graduate school at NYU (is it?) at the age of 20! So Victoria was not smarter than the other girls at all! Her education probably gave her false confidence. She also did care about the show. She said so herself in the episode that she was eliminated in. Now she tries to play it off like she didn't really care ... that's a classic defense mechanism (you don't have to be a psychologist to figure that out)!
After first panel, Victoria learned not to question the judges after they told her to be more charming. She refused to take their advice for the next two weeks and went home because of that! And when she tried to prove her point by asking the other girls to raise their hand, she was being stubborn and ungrateful ... and that is offensive.
Finally, I believe that her interviewers like her because she is giving them dirt and drama and that is what they live for! I don't believe interviewers ever talk about how much of a jerk their guests are because they are trying to build up a good reputation. That's all.

[EdwinC]

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After first panel, Victoria learned not to question the judges after they told her to be more charming. She refused to take their advice for the next two weeks and went home because of that! And when she tried to prove her point by asking the other girls to raise their hand, she was being stubborn and ungrateful ... and that is offensive.
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I do think she's smart though. Smarter than the rest? I don't know cause i don't know her that well. But from what i've seen and read, she did know what she got herself into and comes across as really witty and funny in the interviews such that someone like me who didn't liked her before actually liked her now. It's just a classic class of her being portrayed in a certain way so that her elimination makes sense. I don't think she trusted herself more than the judges. She just trusted herself more than the reality show. And she cared about the show??? SHe did not once say this. She only said she appreciated the modelling aspect more.

I don't know if you really read the interviews but from what she said, she asked alot of questions during panels because she did want to know how to post better and she did joke around with the panel. The editors just chose not to show that footage so that she will be portrayed as rude and prickly.

I agree that perhaps she shouldn't have done the vote thing but under such immense pressure, i do think she felt a need to redeem herself or to do something to prove to the judges that she is infact nice and that's why she did that. No one likes being called rude or prickly, especially in her case, when all the girls in the house did like her and the Pugpix even said that the editors thought she was once of the nicest in the house!

And she did not once say she thinks she's smarter than the girls. I find it offensive whenever someone says someone else says something when he/she clearly did not.

And smoking does not mean that person is not smart. People smoke for various reasons and no one should judge another person just because the person smokes.

[As-Tom]

Some of you are talking like you know her. Saying she's bitter, she's stupid (because she smokes, well than ALOT of people are stupid, maybe even your parents or friends!), prickly, offensive, and what more. All we saw of her was edited television. Editing obviously tried to make her look bad. The reason they didn't show her taking votes was because that would make Tyra and the show look bad. You can't even imagine what it would be like to stand there, with all the stress and pressure, in front of Tyra Banks and her judges, starting to talking trash about you. And you know what, it doesn't matter if she's prickly or not. The point is they judged her on it, and for any human (if critsism is true or not), if it's negative, you don't imediatly agree with it because we don't always see, or want to admit we have negative sides (in this case prickly). It's human nature in this case to defend yourself. And she had 9 girls literly and figurative standing behind her, girls that lived with her the past weeks, that are in a way better position than Tyra and the judges to judge if Vicotoria is prickly or not. And they were her prove to the judges she wasn't prickly at all.
She stated in an interview that she was talking back because she wanted to learn, she might've not understand some of the comments the judges made. For a girl with no knowledge (sp) of fashion I can imagine it's strange hearing that your face is different, or unique or whatever Twiggy said and you're genuine interested in why. Then is it strange that she asks what is unique about her? I think not. But like the judges said, she could've asked it with a smile and then there would've been a problem. If she said everything with a smile, they could've never even judges her as prickly. And that would be stupid if you ask me, if she'd smile with everything she said. Than she'd come across as fake.
So anyway, talking back or not, being prickly or not. No matter what we think, she had 9 girls standing behind her stating it was not true. And we judge from edited television, and they judged from living with her in one house. And it's human nature to defend yourself. And in this case she was even right defending herself because obviously she was not prickly. It might've been a bit tacky to do the voting, but she was right in the end.

[envy]

oh gosh look at this thread! victoria really is a favorite! although she got eliminated but her thread always full of discussions. sweet!

[GuruBishisama]

Great post, As-Tom. I agree 100%.
I feel like this argument is quite pointless. If people think that Victoria was fake and immature, they probably won't change their minds. I do think it's a big big big double standard, though, since most people probably would react the same way.
Something else I've noticed is the assertion that Tyra and Co. are some sort of "important people" who are worthy of having their butts licked day in and out by these girls. Hell no. From my understanding, Victoria called the vote when she was in the B2, where the decision to cut her had already been made anyway. At that point, she probably knew she was going. She's absolutely smart enough to realize she couldn't have won out against T-Zone promotional material like Saleisha.
If you know you're going down, why not take the enemy down with you?
And trying to discredit the show because she's bitter... If you wouldn't be bitter after getting eliminated from something for a BS reason, then yeah, I'd be bitter too.
Personally, I think it shows that Victoria is smart. I love top model, but let's be quite frank--Modeling isn't a career that is in any way helpful towards the advancement of society. It has it's place in fashion and advertising, but these girls are doing no sort of "holy work" by becoming models. The girls who have "dreamt of this my whole life" are probably not the brightest bananas in the bunch and probably don't have much to offer besides their looks.
Is this a sweeping generalization?
Remember the part of the episode when Victoria says to Chantal, "you weren't the best baby's breath you could be?" in the most joking manner possible and Chantal just looks her dead on and says "It broke my heart."
Am I putting "intellectuals" above models? Yes, I am. Am I saying that because Victoria is an intellectual, she inherently has more worth than other girls? Yes, I am.
Don't get me wrong--I know there are other girls on this cycle who are intelligent and are attending very good schools. But when Victoria was asked in the first episode, "come on, you know you think you're smarter than some of these girls," she was right to answer yes, because it was nothing but the truth. Having the insight to realize that Top Model is just a reality show and taking a shot at that shows a lot more intelligence than harping about how modeling is your dream and kissing more butt then a porn star.

[RealityLovesMe]

okay, I've spent way too much time discussing this already! I still feel the same way, but I'm in southern California right now. I'd really love to discuss this further, but people in my city are being evacuated right now, so I'll let you discuss it without me ... which probably won't be so much fun.