Victoria - Cycle 9 - Page 50

blueslayzler · 10-14-2007, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GuruBishisama

Blueslayzler-- I would recommend trying to word your statements in a less confrontational manner. If you really want to convince Victoria's fans that she is the end all be all bitch of the universe, simply calling her that won't convince us.

After reading her interview a couple of times over, I am totally lost as to how you came to ANY of your points.

1) Victoria knew they were trying to cut her because she has a brain. The average American is, quite frankly, pretty stupid, and likes to see an intelligent person fail. An Ivy League School has a certain image attached. When you had black Ivy Leaguers like Yaya and Whitney, Tyra liked that, because it showed that black women can be very successful in the world of acedemia. With Victoria, people love to watch a smart girl be shown that intelligence ultimately is inferior to other qualities, such as attitude. The problem was Victoria didn't have an attitude with the other girls, who, as she stated, could have easily sold her out when prompted to do so. The only drama she had was with the judges, and when the judges don't like you, they don't keep you for drama. They cut you.

And as for "cutting a girl with less camera time like Ambreal or Janet", that makes zero sense. All the girls, at that point, had the same amount of time in front of the camera--all of the girls were being filmed constantly. The skeleton of the fully edited episode didn't even exist at that time. The judges would have had no idea that they should cut someone because of a lack of screentime.

2. The disadvantage Victoria had was that the judges used a weaker shot when she--and Jay--felt she had given better shots. AND IN HER INTERVIEW, she said that they made her photoshoot harder than the other girls which is just a bunch of straight up bull

3. Oh, you're right. By going on reality TV, people need to accept that the person they are edited as is the person they actually are. Silly me for not realizing.
...Seriously, though, I can't believe that argument. One, she was not surprised at her edit, she was expecting it and was disappointed with it. She ultimately felt she'd rather give her all in the contest than drop out solely because she didn't like the edit she thought she'd be given.
Two, there are more kinds of characters than just mean ones. Camille never owned up to her actions? She was completely delusional. Bre owned up to them and was still a bitch. And I forgot that owning up to your actions makes them okay. I bet Hitler would have owned up to the Holocaust. We could simply accept it because at least he knew he was a mass murderer, right?

Honestly, I feel like we're talking about different girls here.

1. So??? You're point, there have been smart white girls in the past that made it to the end, Elyse, Sarah cycle 6. SO that arguement is just stupid. And bitch DID have an attitude. Maybe not with the girls, but with the judges she did because she was too arrogant and thought she was too smart to take any advise.

2. Jay never said that she gave better shots. Jay said she sucked at the photoshoot actually.

3. And no, scanc never owned up to her actions. And yes, Camille and bre did own up to what they did and DIDN'T blame it all on editing because they are REAL women not FAKE bitches like Victoria

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GuruBishisama · 10-14-2007, 06:08 PM

No, Camille and Bre were REAL bitches. If real women are supposed to be catty, hateful, childish, and spoiled, then I'd rather hang with a "fake" bitch like Victoria any day.

Also, Camille quite heavily blamed editing. She has stated "They needed a bitch, and they used me". I'm pretty sure it's in the E! True Hollywood Story for ANTM. I think it's on Youtube, if you'd like to watch.

Seriously, I don't get what Victoria did wrong aside from not kowtow to the judges in every single way. Please, tell me WHERE (as in give a source ie; the show, or an interview you've read either here or elsewhere) that validates your points, because otherwise, quite frankly, I'm not going to regard what you say with any seriousness at all.

Marleybone · 10-14-2007, 07:14 PM

Alright then. I think this discussion has run it's course and it's time to move on.

Kaizen · 10-14-2007, 08:37 PM

(changing the topic)

There is this hysterical group on facebook about victoria's sister, so funny.

GuruBishisama · 10-14-2007, 09:18 PM

Yeah, I made a post about it a couple pages ago.

It refers to FORT as "some stalkers" and gives a link to this page.

fash · 10-14-2007, 09:21 PM

although the whole group is written very tounge in cheek, so i don't think her sister meant "stalkers" in a derogatory manner.

antmislove · 10-15-2007, 12:28 AM

Tyra and company made a wrong mistake to send victoria home. I want vic to be in!

envy · 10-15-2007, 12:34 AM

i hope there will be a 'wild card' or sort of 'golden ticket' to make this girl get into the competition again.

RealityLovesMe · 10-15-2007, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by envy

i hope there will be a 'wild card' or sort of 'golden ticket' to make this girl get into the competition again.

If they did let her back in the competition, you know Twiggy would have an attitude!

Afrocentric · 10-15-2007, 02:37 AM

So basically you are disagreeing with her statements which doesn't exactly make it a lie.

10-14-2007, 06:08 PM	#492
GuruBishisama Alex's Boyfriend? Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Killadelphia Posts: 1,077	Re: Victoria - Cycle 9 No, Camille and Bre were REAL bitches. If real women are supposed to be catty, hateful, childish, and spoiled, then I'd rather hang with a "fake" bitch like Victoria any day. Also, Camille quite heavily blamed editing. She has stated "They needed a bitch, and they used me". I'm pretty sure it's in the E! True Hollywood Story for ANTM. I think it's on Youtube, if you'd like to watch. Seriously, I don't get what Victoria did wrong aside from not kowtow to the judges in every single way. Please, tell me WHERE (as in give a source ie; the show, or an interview you've read either here or elsewhere) that validates your points, because otherwise, quite frankly, I'm not going to regard what you say with any seriousness at all.

10-14-2007, 07:14 PM	#493
Marleybone FORT Fogey Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 15,839	Re: Victoria - Cycle 9 Alright then. I think this discussion has run it's course and it's time to move on.

10-14-2007, 08:37 PM	#494
Kaizen <3 Lauren/Anya <3 Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 19 Posts: 2,662	Re: Victoria - Cycle 9 (changing the topic) There is this hysterical group on facebook about victoria's sister, so funny.

10-14-2007, 09:18 PM	#495
GuruBishisama Alex's Boyfriend? Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Killadelphia Posts: 1,077	Re: Victoria - Cycle 9 Yeah, I made a post about it a couple pages ago. It refers to FORT as "some stalkers" and gives a link to this page.

10-14-2007, 09:21 PM	#496
fash FORT Regular Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 99	Re: Victoria - Cycle 9 although the whole group is written very tounge in cheek, so i don't think her sister meant "stalkers" in a derogatory manner.

10-15-2007, 12:28 AM	#497
antmislove team anya for the win :) Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: singapore Posts: 534	Re: Victoria - Cycle 9 Tyra and company made a wrong mistake to send victoria home. I want vic to be in!

10-15-2007, 12:34 AM	#498
envy extraordinary Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 989	Re: Victoria - Cycle 9 i hope there will be a 'wild card' or sort of 'golden ticket' to make this girl get into the competition again. __________________ anti-nigel

10-15-2007, 02:37 AM	#500
Afrocentric FORT Fan Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 23 Posts: 157	Re: Victoria - Cycle 9 So basically you are disagreeing with her statements which doesn't exactly make it a lie.