Victoria - Cycle 9 - Page 49

fash · 10-14-2007, 01:10 PM

Her myspace says she is a mixture of scottish and lithuanian, for anyone who is curious.

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blueslayzler · 10-14-2007, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Afrocentric

If you have any insider info to prove this, I would personally love to hear it.

1. She said that she knew they were going to eliminate her before judging. Which is just a straight up lie! She don't know that, and why would Tyra want to eliminate her. She such a damn drag queen, she always get camera time...so...no...bitch is full of bull

2. She said they made the photoshoot harder for her????? Hello????? She had no disadvantages that everyone else didn't have. So basically that's a bunch of bull too.

3. She made it seem like it was the show's fault that they edited her. Hello????? Oh my goodness. She signed up for a reality show. THis girl is obviously fake because she makes it seem like she smart but then all of a sudden she get all surprised when they edit her.

TunaFests · 10-14-2007, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by blueslayzler

1. She said that she knew they were going to eliminate her before judging. Which is just a straight up lie! She don't know that, and why would Tyra want to eliminate her. She such a damn drag queen, she always get camera time...so...no...bitch is full of bull

2. She said they made the photoshoot harder for her????? Hello????? She had no disadvantages that everyone else didn't have. So basically that's a bunch of bull too.

3. She made it seem like it was the show's fault that they edited her. Hello????? Oh my goodness. She signed up for a reality show. THis girl is obviously fake because she makes it seem like she smart but then all of a sudden she get all surprised when they edit her.

drag queen?

blueslayzler · 10-14-2007, 02:43 PM

*drama queen

fash · 10-14-2007, 03:15 PM

my response:

1. First of all, Victoria went through the show and you did not. So I would trust her more than you, with regards to how the show is run. Her interviews reveal her to be very nice, smart, honest, and down to earth. She probably did know she was going to be eliminated. And I don't think she is a drama queen-- all of the other girls liked her and no one complained about her at all, except for the judges when she called them out on their incorrect statements.

2. they do make some photoshoots harder than others. the interviews from past girls in other cycles make that clear. and to be fair, her makeup/outfit was not as flattering as some of the others.

3. well, wasn't it the show's fault that they edited it her so harshly? and even with editing she came across as super nice and cool. she wasn't surprised they edited her like that, just dissapointed. her interview shows that. I woulds read her various interviews before making comments like you did.

blueslayzler · 10-14-2007, 03:22 PM

1. It is a lie because Tyra and co. has no reason to eliminate her. She caused drama, got a lot of camera time. WHy don't they eliminate girls like Ambreal and Janet who don't get ANY camera. Oh that's right, because girl is fake and she lying.

2. No, Heather had more of a disadvantage, Sarah had more of a disadvantage. And look how they turned it out.

3. No it isn't the show's fault. They have to keep the viewers in somehow other wise we woudln't have the show to begin with.

fash · 10-14-2007, 03:49 PM

1. of course they had a reason-- she was too smart to be easily manipulated and she made them look bad when their judging comments were silly. She caused NO DRAMA at all-- my goodness, just look at Bianca or Saliesha or Kimberly! Victoria had no problem with anyone! and in her interviews she always speaks highly of the other girls!

2. No heather had bad makeup, but a better outfit. And sarah was fine! and victoria had better pictures, they just werent chosen.

3. i think most people would want to see the girls as they really are, not how they are edited. the cycles have been getting worse, not better. and the earlier cycles, when they were less edited, had happier girls post-show.

blueslayzler · 10-14-2007, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by fash

1. of course they had a reason-- she was too smart to be easily manipulated and she made them look bad when their judging comments were silly. She caused NO DRAMA at all-- my goodness, just look at Bianca or Saliesha or Kimberly! Victoria had no problem with anyone! and in her interviews she always speaks highly of the other girls!

2. No heather had bad makeup, but a better outfit. And sarah was fine! and victoria had better pictures, they just werent chosen.

3. i think most people would want to see the girls as they really are, not how they are edited. the cycles have been getting worse, not better. and the earlier cycles, when they were less edited, had happier girls post-show.

1. She caused drama for the judges and she got a lot of camera time. And Kimberly got kicked out so, if they wanted just drama, why don't they kick out people who don't get ANY camera time like Ambreal and Janet.

2. And no, I think everyone can agree that heather had a less disadvantage. Bad make up and she was covered in weeds.

3. No, people want to see characters, not boring bitches. It would be better if she was someone like bre or camille who actually owned up to their actions

GuruBishisama · 10-14-2007, 05:32 PM

Blueslayzler-- I would recommend trying to word your statements in a less confrontational manner. If you really want to convince Victoria's fans that she is the end all be all bitch of the universe, simply calling her that won't convince us.

After reading her interview a couple of times over, I am totally lost as to how you came to ANY of your points.

1) Victoria knew they were trying to cut her because she has a brain. The average American is, quite frankly, pretty stupid, and likes to see an intelligent person fail. An Ivy League School has a certain image attached. When you had black Ivy Leaguers like Yaya and Whitney, Tyra liked that, because it showed that black women can be very successful in the world of acedemia. With Victoria, people love to watch a smart girl be shown that intelligence ultimately is inferior to other qualities, such as attitude. The problem was Victoria didn't have an attitude with the other girls, who, as she stated, could have easily sold her out when prompted to do so. The only drama she had was with the judges, and when the judges don't like you, they don't keep you for drama. They cut you.

And as for "cutting a girl with less camera time like Ambreal or Janet", that makes zero sense. All the girls, at that point, had the same amount of time in front of the camera--all of the girls were being filmed constantly. The skeleton of the fully edited episode didn't even exist at that time. The judges would have had no idea that they should cut someone because of a lack of screentime.

2. The disadvantage Victoria had was that the judges used a weaker shot when she--and Jay--felt she had given better shots.

3. Oh, you're right. By going on reality TV, people need to accept that the person they are edited as is the person they actually are. Silly me for not realizing.
...Seriously, though, I can't believe that argument. One, she was not surprised at her edit, she was expecting it and was disappointed with it. She ultimately felt she'd rather give her all in the contest than drop out solely because she didn't like the edit she thought she'd be given.
Two, there are more kinds of characters than just mean ones. Camille never owned up to her actions? She was completely delusional. Bre owned up to them and was still a bitch. And I forgot that owning up to your actions makes them okay. I bet Hitler would have owned up to the Holocaust. We could simply accept it because at least he knew he was a mass murderer, right?

Honestly, I feel like we're talking about different girls here.

Menthe · 10-14-2007, 05:36 PM

at any rate heather loooked AMAZING at the shoot. it would have been interesting to see how tori would have done had she gone on. well, im sure. but im glad she went home early, if only to spare herself the tv drama and twiggy, and any lasting future affliliation with the show when she does look for work as a model.

10-14-2007, 01:10 PM	#481
fash FORT Regular Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 99	Re: Victoria - Cycle 9 Her myspace says she is a mixture of scottish and lithuanian, for anyone who is curious.

10-14-2007, 02:43 PM	#484
blueslayzler FORT Fan Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 360	Re: Victoria - Cycle 9 *drama queen

10-14-2007, 03:15 PM	#485
fash FORT Regular Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 99	Re: Victoria - Cycle 9 my response: 1. First of all, Victoria went through the show and you did not. So I would trust her more than you, with regards to how the show is run. Her interviews reveal her to be very nice, smart, honest, and down to earth. She probably did know she was going to be eliminated. And I don't think she is a drama queen-- all of the other girls liked her and no one complained about her at all, except for the judges when she called them out on their incorrect statements. 2. they do make some photoshoots harder than others. the interviews from past girls in other cycles make that clear. and to be fair, her makeup/outfit was not as flattering as some of the others. 3. well, wasn't it the show's fault that they edited it her so harshly? and even with editing she came across as super nice and cool. she wasn't surprised they edited her like that, just dissapointed. her interview shows that. I woulds read her various interviews before making comments like you did.

10-14-2007, 03:22 PM	#486
blueslayzler FORT Fan Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 360	Re: Victoria - Cycle 9 1. It is a lie because Tyra and co. has no reason to eliminate her. She caused drama, got a lot of camera time. WHy don't they eliminate girls like Ambreal and Janet who don't get ANY camera. Oh that's right, because girl is fake and she lying. 2. No, Heather had more of a disadvantage, Sarah had more of a disadvantage. And look how they turned it out. 3. No it isn't the show's fault. They have to keep the viewers in somehow other wise we woudln't have the show to begin with.

10-14-2007, 03:49 PM	#487
fash FORT Regular Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 99	Re: Victoria - Cycle 9 1. of course they had a reason-- she was too smart to be easily manipulated and she made them look bad when their judging comments were silly. She caused NO DRAMA at all-- my goodness, just look at Bianca or Saliesha or Kimberly! Victoria had no problem with anyone! and in her interviews she always speaks highly of the other girls! 2. No heather had bad makeup, but a better outfit. And sarah was fine! and victoria had better pictures, they just werent chosen. 3. i think most people would want to see the girls as they really are, not how they are edited. the cycles have been getting worse, not better. and the earlier cycles, when they were less edited, had happier girls post-show.

10-14-2007, 05:32 PM	#489
GuruBishisama Alex's Boyfriend? Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Killadelphia Posts: 1,077	Re: Victoria - Cycle 9 Blueslayzler-- I would recommend trying to word your statements in a less confrontational manner. If you really want to convince Victoria's fans that she is the end all be all bitch of the universe, simply calling her that won't convince us. After reading her interview a couple of times over, I am totally lost as to how you came to ANY of your points. 1) Victoria knew they were trying to cut her because she has a brain. The average American is, quite frankly, pretty stupid, and likes to see an intelligent person fail. An Ivy League School has a certain image attached. When you had black Ivy Leaguers like Yaya and Whitney, Tyra liked that, because it showed that black women can be very successful in the world of acedemia. With Victoria, people love to watch a smart girl be shown that intelligence ultimately is inferior to other qualities, such as attitude. The problem was Victoria didn't have an attitude with the other girls, who, as she stated, could have easily sold her out when prompted to do so. The only drama she had was with the judges, and when the judges don't like you, they don't keep you for drama. They cut you. And as for "cutting a girl with less camera time like Ambreal or Janet", that makes zero sense. All the girls, at that point, had the same amount of time in front of the camera--all of the girls were being filmed constantly. The skeleton of the fully edited episode didn't even exist at that time. The judges would have had no idea that they should cut someone because of a lack of screentime. 2. The disadvantage Victoria had was that the judges used a weaker shot when she--and Jay--felt she had given better shots. 3. Oh, you're right. By going on reality TV, people need to accept that the person they are edited as is the person they actually are. Silly me for not realizing. ...Seriously, though, I can't believe that argument. One, she was not surprised at her edit, she was expecting it and was disappointed with it. She ultimately felt she'd rather give her all in the contest than drop out solely because she didn't like the edit she thought she'd be given. Two, there are more kinds of characters than just mean ones. Camille never owned up to her actions? She was completely delusional. Bre owned up to them and was still a bitch. And I forgot that owning up to your actions makes them okay. I bet Hitler would have owned up to the Holocaust. We could simply accept it because at least he knew he was a mass murderer, right? Honestly, I feel like we're talking about different girls here.

10-14-2007, 05:36 PM	#490
Menthe FORT Newbie Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 44	Re: Victoria - Cycle 9 at any rate heather loooked AMAZING at the shoot. it would have been interesting to see how tori would have done had she gone on. well, im sure. but im glad she went home early, if only to spare herself the tv drama and twiggy, and any lasting future affliliation with the show when she does look for work as a model. Last edited by Marleybone; 10-14-2007 at 07:29 PM.