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    Quote Originally Posted by AZChristian View Post
    I've been exposed to several hearing-impaired people during my life. I find they're just like normal people in some ways; there are well-behaved ones and spoiled ones. IMO, Luke is spoiled. He's in his late 20s, but seems to be about 8 years old emotionally. He has no patience - which one should have learned by his age, whether hearing impaired or not. I wonder how he manages at work if he stomps around and pitches a fit whenever people don't do what he wants them to do (as he does with Mama).

    I'm not a fan of Mama either, but I will give her credit for not leaving him home while she runs the race with someone who really IS a partner.
    Maybe his mum feels badly, guilty maybe. I don't know their backstory. They love one another, bratty kid or not
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    Re: 3/2 TAR 24: Episode 2 **West Coast Spoilers**

    Quote Originally Posted by AZChristian View Post
    I've been exposed to several hearing-impaired people during my life. I find they're just like normal people in some ways; there are well-behaved ones and spoiled ones.
    If you read what I was saying closely I said "many" not all or anything like that. If you have ever sat in the cafeteria at Gallaudet University you would see many people just like Luke. Some of the "well-behaved" ones you see interacting with the hearing people totally change their behavior around hearing people. Does Luke throw tantrums? Yes. But not all of them are, some of them are him interacting with his mother as if she is also a non-hearing person, using just as much expression as he would use dealing with other non-hearing people. I am by no-means an "expert" on the deaf community, but I have taken three semesters of sign-language (2 of which taught by deaf people from Gallaudet), live within a mile of a school for the deaf and have visited Gallaudet a few times. After the first semester many of the classes included more then just the language, they included talks about the community itself. As I said before, most people that are raised primarily within the deaf community tend to be REAL emotional.
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    All I will say is IF Luke was not deaf and acted the way we see, then I would imagine we would all be ready for him to leave. I am ready for him and Margie to go now.
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    I admire Marge. She completes difficult challenges that would be beyond a lot of people her age. She is patient with Luke and has always been there for him. Perhaps he has other problems, like Asperger's for example, that we don't know about. There have been a lot of contestants on this show whose behavior I find to be a lot more objectionable than Luke's.
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    Re: 3/2 TAR 24: Episode 2 **West Coast Spoilers**

    Quote Originally Posted by Midol View Post
    My understanding is that as long as you have your passport you are good to go. Any other past instances where people were sent back, it was because their passport was not with them.
    Phil has used the term "travel documents" on the mat before, so I'm guessing that in addition to passport they also have to have their International Drivers Licenses, and probably some sort of contract that indicates that they're traveling as part of the TV show, and a credit card for purchasing airline tickets (as far as I know they get one that they can use for that purpose). But I'm sure those things are almost always kept together.

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    Re: 3/2 TAR 24: Episode 2 **West Coast Spoilers**

    Quote Originally Posted by AZChristian View Post
    I've been exposed to several hearing-impaired people during my life. I find they're just like normal people in some ways; there are well-behaved ones and spoiled ones. IMO, Luke is spoiled. He's in his late 20s, but seems to be about 8 years old emotionally. He has no patience - which one should have learned by his age, whether hearing impaired or not. I wonder how he manages at work if he stomps around and pitches a fit whenever people don't do what he wants them to do (as he does with Mama).
    Honestly, I think he gets a pretty bad edit. He's also openly gay, but in his season with Mike and Mel they were the "gay father and son" and the show wanted him to just be the "deaf person" so they kept out a lot of his interactions with them and his mentions of his sexuality so that they wouldn't muddle the storylines. Additionally, I have a suspicion that they prioritize his most demonstrative moments for TV, just like they edit shouting and arguing among other contestants. But in his case it comes off differently than it does for others.

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    It was pretty hilarious when Margie had just told him to `pay attention`and then she missed and he repeated `pay attention`back to her. during the hackey sac
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    Re: 3/2 TAR 24: Episode 2 **West Coast Spoilers**

    Being deaf in a hearing world must be beyond difficult. I cannot fathom what that would be like to live, or to raise a child in this circumstance. I hope I never will. That being said, I personally know several "hearing" families with deaf mute children. I can think of two families right off the top of my head and those two families represent two diametrically opposite ways of handling the "disability" and their children as a result. One provided all that their deaf child needed, which included being sent away to a school for the deaf for all their schooling, but held that child to all the same behavioral standards that were expected of their other children. This deaf individual has grown up to be an amazing individual who has always shown people respect and known how to harness their emotions and display them appropriately. The other family also did everything they needed to provide for their child's education but they had a deep seated anger when other people did not make every effort to accomodate that child in every possible way and they didn't seem to make the same effort to help their child become better at learning to respond appropriately in a hearing world. I can't pass judgement because I don't have a deaf child. I would think it would be VERY difficult to parent such a child with all the same expectations you would a hearing child. It is a different world. That being said, I much prefer spending time with the likes of my first example.

    My impression, which could be totally off base, is that Luke falls much more into the second category and that makes him very difficult to watch. He doesn't really show much respect for his mother, especially in those moments of great stress. Now, I realize that could be said of the hearing contestants as well, but here I am discussing Luke and holding him to those same standards.

    The deaf world, though they don't hear it (and because they don't hear it), can be very loud and demonstrative with gesticulation being over the top even outside of sign language. It is just part of their world. This doesn't mean everyone is, but this was my experience being in and around a deaf school at different points in my life. It can be fascinating to observe.
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    Re: 3/2 TAR 24: Episode 2 **West Coast Spoilers**

    Quote Originally Posted by waywyrd View Post
    Mark and Mallory head back to get his backpack, squabbling the whole way over whose fault it was. Sigh.

    I agree the blondes are a waste of a spot. The only thing they're good at is flirting.
    Mark asked her if she had his bag. I don't recall if she said anything, but to just drop the bag at his feet and not say anything? I'm sorry, that is her fault!

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    She was in charge of the backpacks while Mark was carrying the car. Yes, she just dropped it at the back of the taxi while he was trying to wedge the kid's car into the trunk. I guess she figured taking it to the taxi was the extent of her responsibility. Obviously, she should have made SURE it got into the cab with her own. She screwed up and then tried to gloss it over by saying she had the important stuff like passports, and they could finish the race without any of his things. If it had between towards the end of the race, then yes perhaps she had a point. But it was the 2nd Leg! Still a long ways to travel with nothing but the clothes you're wearing and possibly an extra shirt given to you by someone else.

    All that squabbling and her running around asking people if they saw the backpack...they should have stopped wasting time and just turned around immediately to get the bag, the minute they figured out it had been left behind.
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